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Message 7753 - Posted 22 Mar 2009 21:02:13 UTC

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    And here it comes, the updated version of the GPU FAQ...

    Will my card run the GPUGRID.net application?

    Since Cuda 2.0 has been made available in the middle of August last year, the project provides applications that are compiled with the Cuda 2.0 SDK.
    Unfortunately Cuda 2.0 only supports Cards that have the compute capability of 1.1 and higher.
    Cards that offer only compute capabilities at 1.0 level are lacking a hardware features (support for Atomic functions) that Cuda 2.0 relies on, hence Cuda 2.0 compiled apps won't run.

    64 high clocked or 96 moderately clocked stream processors should be fine to participate and give results within a reasonable amount of time.

    Cards that are marked red will not run the projects application.
    Cards in black are technically able to run these applications, but are to slow to finish the work units in time or would need continuous babysitting on a multicore system. These cards are hence not recommended by the project.
    Green cards will run the current applications without problems, if there is any please consult the forum...

    As this forum software doesn't allow to edit ones own posts after some period of time, I can't update this post directly. I have hence chosen to include the important information in pictures that I can update when needed, as they are residing on my web space. The next update will complete the "other CUDA devices" section.

    Desktop graphic boards:




    Mobile graphic solutions:




    Other CUDA devices:



    So to make a long story short, if you don't find your card marked green, attaching it to the project is not recommended!

    The information given is based on the following pages. There is no warranty from my side, that the information given here is 110% correct.

    http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/2.0-Beta2/docs/Programming_Guide_2.0beta2.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units

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    Message 10902 - Posted 28 Jun 2009 12:49:44 UTC - in response to Message 7753.

      Probably this list (under Appendix A) is more up to date: http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/2_2/toolkit/docs/NVIDIA_CUDA_Programming_Guide_2.2.pdf

      For example, the nVidia Quadro FX770M which I'm going to buy is mentioned there.

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      Message 11237 - Posted 21 Jul 2009 23:33:32 UTC - in response to Message 10902.

        hi !

        with my :
        CUDA device: Quadro NVS 160M (driver version 18603, compute capability 1.1, 256MB, est. 4GFLOPS)
        i need a minimum of 10 days to finish the WUs sent... and only if i let it work 24/24 7/7...

        this FAQ should be posted directly in the home page of the project !

        AND/OR the server should not send work for computers that doesn't meet minimum requirement...

        --RonanKER

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        Message 11438 - Posted 28 Jul 2009 15:43:53 UTC - in response to Message 7753.

          Hi folks,

          the question is why does a non-exotic graphic card not work?
          I run a 8800 GTS. What is the problem?
          When will it be supported?

          Thanx in advance,

          Pecker

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          Message 11440 - Posted 28 Jul 2009 16:19:46 UTC - in response to Message 11438.

            The 8800GTS is a G80 type and only supports compute capability of 1.0, whereas GPUDGrid currently requires CUDA 2.0 w/ compute capability 1.1 based on required hardware features (see atomic functions above). The G80 cards will never be supported because they can't do what GPUGrid requires in the calculations. Unfortunate, but that's just the way it is. You just happen to have one of the few cards that will not function based on its compute capability.

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            Message 11441 - Posted 28 Jul 2009 16:23:11 UTC - in response to Message 11440.

              Thank you. Time for a new machine and more powerful graphic card... 8^)

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              Message 11634 - Posted 3 Aug 2009 19:26:30 UTC - in response to Message 11440.

                The 8800GTS is a G80 type and only supports compute capability of 1.0, whereas GPUDGrid currently requires CUDA 2.0 w/ compute capability 1.1 based on required hardware features (see atomic functions above). The G80 cards will never be supported because they can't do what GPUGrid requires in the calculations. Unfortunate, but that's just the way it is. You just happen to have one of the few cards that will not function based on its compute capability.


                My 8800GTS is compute 1.1 capable because it is a G92 GPU!

                It has 512MB RAM and works fine with GPUGRID and Aqua!

                Boinc reports 78GFlops.

                For a list of cards and native ability try here,

                http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1150#11126

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                Message 11646 - Posted 4 Aug 2009 1:07:03 UTC - in response to Message 11634.

                  My 8800GTS is compute 1.1 capable because it is a G92 GPU!

                  It has 512MB RAM and works fine with GPUGRID and Aqua!


                  Yes. Sorry I was not more specific. The 640MB 8800GTS is a G80 and will not work with GPUGrid. The 512MB 8800GTS is a G92 and will work. Thanks for clarifying.

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                  Message 11655 - Posted 4 Aug 2009 13:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 11646.

                    If you still have the card you might want to look into running it with Folding@home. I think it is capable, but I dont know for sure what their requirements are, you will need to read up on them yourself first of all, but it might be an option.

                    http://folding.stanford.edu/English/WinGPUGuide

                    Good Luck
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                    Message 11656 - Posted 4 Aug 2009 15:32:03 UTC - in response to Message 11655.

                      CUDA 2.2 has now been released.

                      What, if any, impact will that have on the availability of cards to participate?

                      Obviously Compute Capable 1.3 cards will still be able to participate, but what about all the 1.1 cards?
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                      Message 11666 - Posted 5 Aug 2009 11:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 11656.

                        Make that Cuda 2.3

                        along with NVIDIA Driver 190.38

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                        Message 11667 - Posted 5 Aug 2009 12:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 11656.

                          Obviously Compute Capable 1.3 cards will still be able to participate, but what about all the 1.1 cards?

                          My Compute Capability 1.1 cards (9800GT/GTX+) run 190.38 and v2.3 runtime just fine.

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                          Message 11670 - Posted 5 Aug 2009 13:32:29 UTC - in response to Message 11667.

                            So does my GTS 250, for now.

                            I would just like a heads up if GPUGRID decides to only support 1.3 and above some time in the future, especially with new cards expected in the Autumn!

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                            Message 11922 - Posted 15 Aug 2009 14:26:18 UTC

                              I'm looking at a Dell XPS 435. It offers the Nvidia GT 220, here.

                              In the "Specifications" tab it says it's CUDA-capable, but I don't see it in the list of cards at the top of this thread.

                              Will it run GPUGRID?

                              Thanks, Tom

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                              Message 12590 - Posted 21 Sep 2009 15:35:07 UTC - in response to Message 11922.

                                In view of the new cards coming out in December. We are currently recommending 100 stream processors.

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                                Message 12880 - Posted 28 Sep 2009 23:46:15 UTC

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                                  I just joined the fun here at GPU grid, but have a couple of questions related to this thread.

                                  1) I just downloaded v190.62 for my nvidia 9800GT card. Should I install this version for my card to work here?

                                  2) I have noted that there is a new version of CUDA out now, version 2.3. Where do I get this new version?

                                  3) My compute capability is 1.1. Is this what I need here!

                                  4) My current version of BOINC is 6.6.36. Do I need to upgrade, and where do I get that upgrade

                                  5) I have read in another thread here that someone burned through his video card lickety split. Is this a rare occurrence, and how can I keep this from happening to me?
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                                  Message 13124 - Posted 10 Oct 2009 21:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 12880.

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                                    1) Currently your choice between 185.85, 190.38 and 190.62, at least for Windows. Install one of them, after you uninstall your previous Nvidia driver.

                                    Either CUDA 2.2 or CUDA 2.3 should work for now.

                                    2) Instructions in one of these:

                                    http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1272#11745

                                    http://www.gpugrid.net/join.php

                                    http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html

                                    3) I'm already participating with a computer capability 1.1 9800 GT. If the particular features of that board include enough memory, it should work.

                                    Not all computer capability 1.1 boards run fast enough, though.

                                    4) 6.10.3 is currently recommended. Instructions on where to find it are part of this page:

                                    http://www.gpugrid.net/join.php

                                    5) Sorry, I haven't seen that thread. Burned video cards are likely to be due to either running them with inadequate cooling, or setting the voltage too high in an effort to speed them up.

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                                    Message 13126 - Posted 10 Oct 2009 21:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 13124.

                                      Just a small correction. Only compute capability 1.1 is required, so your card is supported by gpugrid.

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                                      Message 13152 - Posted 12 Oct 2009 18:48:56 UTC

                                        I can't find GTX275 in tab of support gpu's

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                                        Message 13173 - Posted 14 Oct 2009 16:49:33 UTC - in response to Message 13152.

                                          Hello,


                                          I have a Geforce 9500 with 256Mb DDR3 that is 1.1 compatible. Now, until yesterday everything was going great, with about 5000 units at every 2 days coming from Gpugrid.

                                          But yesterday, while the pc was running boinc, I had artefacts all over the screen and the gpugrid task disappeared. After a restart, Boinc wouldn't fetch wu form gpugrid anymore. I updated to Cuda 2.3 but I get the same message.

                                          I see my card is almost compatible (not enough horse-power), any advices?

                                          Thank you!

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                                          Message 13269 - Posted 24 Oct 2009 18:22:09 UTC - in response to Message 13173.

                                            Uninstall Boinc, clean the registry (CCleaner), reinstall latest Boinc and make sure you dont install it as a system process!

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                                            Message 13795 - Posted 5 Dec 2009 14:23:25 UTC - in response to Message 13269.

                                              GTX275, GTX280, GTX285, GTX295 and Tesla 10 cards work.

                                              GTX260 216sp uses a 55nm GT200 GPU core. Most should work with the project.

                                              The Geforce GT 240 and Geforce GTS 240 cards should also work.

                                              Many of the older GTX 216 192sp cards have problems running GPUGRID as do most G92 compute capable 1.1 cards, including the GTS250.

                                              G90 cards no longer work.

                                              Lesser cards such as the NVidia ION with only 16 shaders and the NVidia GT 220 would be unlikely to finish in time.

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                                              Message 13797 - Posted 5 Dec 2009 14:30:04 UTC - in response to Message 13795.

                                                NVidia GT 220 would be unlikely to finish in time.


                                                Been running one of those for three months. Takes around 28 hours.

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                                                Message 13815 - Posted 6 Dec 2009 23:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 13795.

                                                  running 9800GTX+ or gts250 overclock the gpu to 800mhz and will run in time but only just. note not all cards will overclock safely and does require a bit of monitoring and plenty of ventalation!

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                                                  Message 13854 - Posted 9 Dec 2009 15:27:59 UTC

                                                    So, a G210 would be insufficient to participate? What would be the *lowest* card one can use?
                                                    In other words: an actual update would be nice.

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                                                    Message 13865 - Posted 10 Dec 2009 17:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 13854.

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                                                      A G210 might finish in 3 or 4 days, or might time out.
                                                      The lowest card depends on the user and system. If the system is on and running GPUGrid tasks and has a good CPU it is more likely to finish for any given card.
                                                      The minimum reccomended would probably be a GT240, but if you have a GT220, or GT315 (basically the same thing) you could finish tasks if the system was running most of the time. A couple of months ago I got a task to finish on an ION (40 Boinc GFlops, the new version, 7 GFlops on older Boinc versions), but it did take about 5 days.

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                                                      Message 13871 - Posted 10 Dec 2009 20:22:17 UTC - in response to Message 13795.

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                                                        GTX275, GTX280, GTX285, GTX295 and Tesla 10 cards work.

                                                        GTX260 216sp uses a 55nm GT200 GPU core. Most should work with the project.

                                                        The Geforce GT 240 and Geforce GTS 240 cards should also work.

                                                        Do you know how fast the GT 240 and GTS 240 are compared to a GTX 260 (216)? Also do you know the compute capability?

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                                                        Message 13887 - Posted 12 Dec 2009 2:04:50 UTC

                                                          I've been running GPUGRID on a 9800 GT for months, but it IS on a computer that I keep running nearly 24 hours a day.

                                                          I'm still looking for information on whether most of the highest-end Nvidia cards that HP computers offer to include now are suitable:

                                                          GT230M
                                                          G210
                                                          GT220

                                                          (GTX 260 is also offered, but I already know that one is NOT recommended)

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                                                          Message 13935 - Posted 14 Dec 2009 22:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 13887.

                                                            Exactly what specs does the GTX260 have?

                                                            G210 - No Use, Avoid at ALL costs!

                                                            GT230M is not as good as the GT220, which is not good.

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                                                            Message 13969 - Posted 16 Dec 2009 21:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 13935.

                                                              http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1150

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                                                              Message 14183 - Posted 12 Jan 2010 18:06:24 UTC

                                                                GT240 is running fine.

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                                                                Message 14185 - Posted 12 Jan 2010 21:49:08 UTC - in response to Message 14183.

                                                                  Hi scrap, welcome to the forums.
                                                                  The GT 240 is a good card, very reliable, and energy efficient.
                                                                  A good choice.

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                                                                  Message 14958 - Posted 3 Feb 2010 15:50:57 UTC - in response to Message 14185.

                                                                    The best I can tell, the main advantage of the GT240 over the 9800 GT I'm using now is that it requires less power.

                                                                    As a result, I'm thinks of replacing my 9800 GT with as many GT240s as the power supply will handle, if there are enough slots for that many. How do I determine the recommended power supply requirements for multiple GPUs?

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                                                                    Message 14959 - Posted 3 Feb 2010 15:57:41 UTC - in response to Message 14185.

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                                                                      Message 14960 - Posted 3 Feb 2010 16:17:57 UTC - in response to Message 14958.

                                                                        The best I can tell, the main advantage of the GT240 over the 9800 GT I'm using now is that it requires less power.

                                                                        As a result, I'm thinks of replacing my 9800 GT with as many GT240s as the power supply will handle, if there are enough slots for that many. How do I determine the recommended power supply requirements for multiple GPUs?


                                                                        That's a good question, one which is sort of difficult to answer. There's two general approaches to the "how much PSU do I need?" question. What will work, and what is guaranteed to work. I tend to go with the "guaranteed to work" answer, since having a marginal power supply can be insanely hard to diagnose because any problems will be intermittent and it's hard to tell that the problem is with the PSU and not with some other part. So I want to be assured the PSU is going to work in the worst case scenarios.

                                                                        That being said, you could try this:

                                                                        1) See what the manufacturer's recommendation is for running a single GPU. Then see how much power the second GPU draws, and add that to the recommendation.

                                                                        2) Variation of 1) above: In addition to the total power requirements, see how many amps on the 12V rail are available from the recommended PSU for a single GPU. Add to that how much the second GPU draws from the 12V rail. The PSU you want should be capable of both the total wattage from 1) above as well as the total amperage on the 12V line.

                                                                        3) If you can get good values for how much the rest of the computer draws (both in total and on the 12V line), you can come up with a better requirement, which will probably be less than 1) or 2) above. But getting reliable numbers will be very difficult, unless someone know how to get actual current readings coming out of the PSU.

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                                                                        Message 15040 - Posted 6 Feb 2010 14:29:33 UTC - in response to Message 14960.

                                                                          robertmiles, it is likely that if you removed one GT9800 card from your system and replaced it with 2 GT240 cards, it would use about the same power.
                                                                          A GT9800 uses about 130W under load and the GT240 uses almost exactly half that!
                                                                          The GT 240 does not require any additional power connectors; the PCIE slot is sufficient to power the card. If your PSU was able to support the GT9800 is should be able to support 2 GT240's.
                                                                          That said, if you intend to overclock you should calculate how much power you actually use, give yourself some head room, and determine if your existing PSU is up to the task.

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                                                                          Message 15390 - Posted 23 Feb 2010 18:26:04 UTC - in response to Message 15040.

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                                                                            Thanks; I'll order two GT240s for now (after verifying there is another slot) and consider another power supply later.

                                                                            I'm not likely to try overclocking.

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                                                                            Message 15484 - Posted 27 Feb 2010 18:52:56 UTC

                                                                              Some of the recommended cards are not listed in above tables (GT220-GT240-GTX275-Tesla10). When is it brought up-to-date?

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                                                                              Message 15493 - Posted 28 Feb 2010 0:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 15484.

                                                                                Koschi made the table some time ago.
                                                                                All the Cards you list are good here.

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                                                                                Message 15509 - Posted 28 Feb 2010 22:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 15493.

                                                                                  Yes I know - because that is listed on the front page ;.)
                                                                                  It's just that it would be valuable information for people (like myself) who are considering buying new graphics cards, if the table included all recommended cards, especially how many gflops one could expect from them.
                                                                                  As I understand it, koschi is able to update the tables. If he hasd the data neede, of course.

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                                                                                  Message 15562 - Posted 2 Mar 2010 12:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 15509.

                                                                                    I found an Nvidia list of their cards compatible with Windows 7:

                                                                                    http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1241025430517.html

                                                                                    Several of the top cards on the Notebook GPUs list look worth evaluating to determine if they belong on the allowed cards list, although I'd guess not also on the shorter recommended cards list.

                                                                                    You might mention whether this evaluation allows for the 60% BOINC CPU usage limit often used for laptops.

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                                                                                    Message 15572 - Posted 2 Mar 2010 22:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 15562.

                                                                                      Two cards to avoid, the GTS 240 and the OEM GT 330; they use G92 cores!
                                                                                      NVidia now have a G92 in the GeForce 8800, 9800, 100, 200 and for the set the GeForce 300 series.
                                                                                      Of course NVidia does not list such information on their site,
                                                                                      http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_330_us.html

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                                                                                      Message 15756 - Posted 14 Mar 2010 21:29:20 UTC

                                                                                        My GTS 250 has been running GPUGrid reasonably well, up till recently.

                                                                                        Has something drastically changed?
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                                                                                        Message 15777 - Posted 16 Mar 2010 11:39:49 UTC - in response to Message 15756.

                                                                                          Hi Sid,
                                                                                          There have been a number of application updates. These have led to an increase in performance in most cards, but some have seen problems; notably CC1.1 cards (this includes the GTS 250). I experienced the same problem with my 8800GT and my GTS 250. I replaced them with GT 240 cards to good effect.

                                                                                          Until recently 2 types of task were available (6.03 and 6.71). The 6.71 tasks have now run out. These used the older application, and seemed to work better with CC1.1 cards but did not see the 60% increase in speed that the new 6.03 tasks (which use the newer application) see.

                                                                                          There have also been several Betas out over the last month or so. The latest also saw a 30-45% improvement, but again depends on the new application.

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                                                                                          Message 15783 - Posted 16 Mar 2010 18:30:45 UTC - in response to Message 15777.


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                                                                                            Thanks for the response.

                                                                                            I'm glad I got the 250 mainly for my son's FSX and other games.


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                                                                                            Message 15854 - Posted 20 Mar 2010 12:25:44 UTC

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                                                                                              I'm building a cheap HTPC from scraps. It's going to use a GeForce 9400 mobo & a 8800GT GPU. I'm not interested in Hybrid SLI, so I'm not going to pair the mobo with a 8500GT, even if I was, SLI doesn't work with CUDA & GPUGRID. But I'm curious to know if the CUDA capable 9400IGP can be used too. Can two mismatched GPU's work with GPUGRID? I've only tried it once on Linux, & the 260GTX was used, while the GT8800 wasn't. But does it work on Windows, to have two mixed GPU's?

                                                                                              If using mixed GPU's on a PC isn't possible, does anyone know if the difference between the GPU connected to the monitor VS the GPU that isn't has any effect on the performance of BOINC/GPUGRID? If I fx use a cheap-o-crap-o GPU to connect to the monitor & the better one to crunch???
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                                                                                              Message 15859 - Posted 20 Mar 2010 16:29:12 UTC - in response to Message 15854.

                                                                                                Normally motherboards have the onboard card set as default, but as soon as you plug in a PCIE card it becomes the card which has to be used with the monitor!

                                                                                                I tried what you are talking about recently, but I was not able to use my onboard card for the monitor after I plugged in a PCIE card – same on two different systems. Mind you one was a Dell and the other an HP system! So, perhaps on a better motherboard you could do this?
                                                                                                Check out the online motherboard manual before you buy one, it might say something about this (if it does not, expect that you cant).

                                                                                                I think any performance gain would depend on your use of the system; for browsing the web and working on documents it won’t be much, but if you play games or watch media 10hours a day it could be considerable.

                                                                                                In the past non-similar cards did not work together well, if at all. Although this was reported to have been fixed, I have my doubts that this is the case for all cards and systems. I tried this in the past with a GTX260 and an 8800GTS (Boinc reported two 8800GTS cards). After trying it recently with a GTX 260 and a GT240 I can say that it did not work for me at all, but again this is likely to be very motherboard dependant. I also had trouble with two GT240s on that Micro-Star (K9A2 Plat) board, but no issues on my Gigabyte board.

                                                                                                It would be useful if someone put together and maintained a failsafe (or best chance) description of how to do this.

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                                                                                                Message 16919 - Posted 9 May 2010 1:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 15859.

                                                                                                  The 9800GT might be quite a bit better than it is getting credit for in this thread.

                                                                                                  First of all there are new "Green" or "low power" versions of the 9800GT that lack the extra power cord and draw all their power directly from the motherboard. The power draw for these "green" cards is under 70 watts.

                                                                                                  Secondly, near as I can tell the 9800GT produces nearly as good as the GT240 on GPUGRID (depending on the exact version of each card). I'm not at all sure why it is listed as "might work"??

                                                                                                  Anyhow for running GPUGRID the GT240 is most likely still a better card for the money but the 9800GT cards are a lot closer in performance than you might think.










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                                                                                                  Message 16924 - Posted 9 May 2010 12:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 16919.

                                                                                                    The GT240 is better because it has Compute Capability 1.2, so it is better with CUDA. This is despite the fact that it only has 96 shaders. The 9800GT has 112 shaders, is often clocked higher and is a better card for playing games - it is not as good for crunching here. So the advice for people wanting to get a basic card to crunch with is to get a GT240. They are fairly inexpensive, simple to install and fit most systems. This does not mean people cant use a 9800GT, they may well be able to. Some of these cards work fine, others not so well.
                                                                                                    On your Vista system you completed your last work unit in good time and got full bonus credits for early return. If that card constantly performed as well as that you could expect a return of 11,166 credits per day. A typical GT240 will get about 13K per day on Vista/W7, or 15K on XP.
                                                                                                    Your Linux system is much faster at crunching than Vista and would get you about 12.6K per day.
                                                                                                    Of course returns depends on a number of factors:

                                                                                                    Your overall system spec, and in particular CPU speed (an OC can help)
                                                                                                    CPU usage for other tasks (especially crunching CPU WUs for other projects)
                                                                                                    Your operating system (Linux and XP are generally faster than Vista and Win7)
                                                                                                    The optimizations in place
                                                                                                    - free core/thread; to help speed up GPU tasks, use of swan_sync=0
                                                                                                    - tasks you run, presently some betas (6.72) are faster (this changes)
                                                                                                    - overclocked GPU (especially the shaders)
                                                                                                    - NVidia configuration

                                                                                                    I think in general, it is also fair to say that the GT240 is more reliable and returns more tasks in time for full credit. While as you point out, there are Green versions of the 9800GT, which do not require additional power connectors, these are not quite as fast as the cards that do have the extra power. I'm not sure why the GT240 is not called a green card?
                                                                                                    There are many GPU manufacturers and each employ their own designs and specifications. This in part explains why some cards struggle while others work perfectly. It also explains some of the performance differences (with clock differences and firmware versions). So it’s a cloudy picture, and the simplest suggestion for a new cruncher, wishing to buy a cheap card to contribute is to get a GT240; it’s almost full-proof.
                                                                                                    In the future it is possible that GPUGrid will move away from CC1.1 cards, and only use CC1.2 or above. So while some 9800 cards may be almost as good as a GT240 now, there is no guarantee that will be the case in the future. So if you have a good 9800 for crunching use it, but dont rush out to buy a new one to crunch with.

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                                                                                                    Message 16927 - Posted 9 May 2010 15:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 16924.

                                                                                                      Thanks for your answer, you clearly know what you are doing.

                                                                                                      I've currently got 2 different 9800GT cards in 2 different computers. Both are "green" and both seem to work just fine so I was wondering why they had the reputation that they do. Thanks again for the informative reply.



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                                                                                                      Message 16974 - Posted 12 May 2010 1:43:25 UTC

                                                                                                        My dual "Nvidia 8800 GTS 512" are doing pretty well (12884.58) at the moment. Should they maybe be green? Or are they not cheap enough?

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                                                                                                        Message 16975 - Posted 12 May 2010 2:15:49 UTC - in response to Message 16974.

                                                                                                          I'm not sure why the GT240 is not called a green card?

                                                                                                          Me either... I guess there is no need to differentiate between versions (like there is with the 9800GT) since the GT240 cards are all "green"?

                                                                                                          My dual "Nvidia 8800 GTS 512" are doing pretty well (12884.58) at the moment. Should they maybe be green? Or are they not cheap enough?

                                                                                                          I suspect that being "green" has more to do with power consumption than purchase price.

                                                                                                          The old 8800 cards were nice cards (had one myself) but they took quite a bit of power to run, especially compared to newer cards like the GT240.

                                                                                                          Being green is all about work done per watt used.

                                                                                                          Total system power is around 120-135 watts while crunching with a GT240 or a "green" 9800GT.


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                                                                                                          Message 16980 - Posted 12 May 2010 11:08:54 UTC - in response to Message 16975.

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                                                                                                            Slight punn. When they say something is "green" do they mean "environmental", "naive", or "sick"??? If OCing gets more performance from the same GPU at the price of extra power, heat, & possibly stability. "Green" just goes the opposite direction. So what costs more, Power or GPU? "Efficiency" is when you get more for the same price & power. I'd rather use Linux, better drivers, & BOINC Client, if I wanted "efficiency" instead of a "green" GPU, unless I had to use less power or could get a "green" GPU cheaper than a "non-green" GPU. But that's just me ;-)

                                                                                                            If a car travels at 40km goes from A to B. A car that travels at 80km will get there sooner. But if the road has other cars on it, traffic lights, swings, etc, that might not be the case. Here other factors have to be considered.

                                                                                                            An "efficient" PSU uses 85% of the power that goes in & 15% goes to waste. If Windows wastes on recourses but gains in ease, there's already hours gained on using Windows, but if Linux finally runs & keeps on running it'll catch up & leave Windows behind. I use Linux for crunchboxes, it's free, I set it up, & I don't really use it for anything else. That I rarely update the drivers used & BOINC is easier to update/upgrade on Windows, leaves the optimization up to GPUGRID.net for me.
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                                                                                                            Message 17157 - Posted 19 May 2010 12:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 16980.

                                                                                                              And Linux is free

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                                                                                                              Message 17201 - Posted 21 May 2010 12:09:59 UTC

                                                                                                                I just installed a GTX 470 to replace a dying GTX 280. Ever since I installed the new card, GPU Grid will download, run for about 1 minute, then abort with a computation error message. Does anyone have a solution to this problem?

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                                                                                                                Message 17206 - Posted 21 May 2010 16:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 17201.

                                                                                                                  Yes!
                                                                                                                  Fermi cards can only run Fermi tasks:
                                                                                                                  Full-atom molecular dynamics v6.73 (cuda30)

                                                                                                                  They cannot run 6.03 Work Units.

                                                                                                                  To receive 6.73 tasks,
                                                                                                                  - create a profile for your Fermi,
                                                                                                                  - configure it to only accept 6.73 tasks:

                                                                                                                  http://www.gpugrid.net/prefs.php?subset=project


                                                                                                                  Run test applications? YES

                                                                                                                  Run only the selected applications ACEMD: YES
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                                                                                                                  ACEMD beta: YES

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                                                                                                                  Message 17214 - Posted 21 May 2010 23:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 17206.

                                                                                                                    Thanks a lot. That did the trick.

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                                                                                                                    Message 17620 - Posted 15 Jun 2010 11:26:31 UTC

                                                                                                                      有没有说中文的啊 我英文不太通 我GT260 的显卡 讯景的 用啥加速?谢谢

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                                                                                                                      Message 17622 - Posted 15 Jun 2010 12:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 17620.

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                                                                                                                        有没有说中文的啊 我英文不太通 我GT260 的显卡 讯景的 用啥加速?谢谢


                                                                                                                        Google Translate got: Ah there are no Chinese-speaking English is not my graphics card information through my GT260 King of the use of Sha acceleration? Thank you

                                                                                                                        Babelfish got: Had said that Chinese my English not too did pass my GT260 the card news scenery obviously to accelerate with what? Thanks

                                                                                                                        I hope the speak better Chinese in China, LOL! Have no idea what he wrote! Freehal currently only supports German & English, maybe if it supports more languages, Google Translate & Babelfish could benefit from this. If the PC knows how to respond, it might be able to offer a better translation???
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                                                                                                                        Message 17633 - Posted 16 Jun 2010 9:31:51 UTC - in response to Message 17622.

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                                                                                                                          This might be a bit closer to a translation:

                                                                                                                          Ah, there are no Chinese-speakers. I did not pass English.
                                                                                                                          I have a GT260 graphics card. What about XFX's use of Sha acceleration?


                                                                                                                          怎么样讯景的沙加速用?
                                                                                                                          我们不都讯景图形处理器。

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                                                                                                                          Message 17663 - Posted 18 Jun 2010 12:51:25 UTC - in response to Message 17620.

                                                                                                                            有没有说中文的啊 我英文不太通 我GT260 的显卡 讯景的 用啥加速?谢谢


                                                                                                                            My chinese is poor but:
                                                                                                                            有没有说中文的啊 = You mei you shuo zhong wen de a ? = Does anyone speak chinese ?

                                                                                                                            我英文不太通 = Wo ying wen bu tai tong = My english is not very understandable

                                                                                                                            我GT260 的显卡讯景的用啥加速? = Wo GT260 de xian ka xun jing de yong sha jia su = My XFX GTX260 card *#/)(-" ... I didn't get the last part. Seems to be about speeding up its XFX card, or using it to crunch.... Not sure which one...

                                                                                                                            谢谢 = xie xie = Thanks


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                                                                                                                            对, 你可以用你的显卡跟GPUGrid (Yes, you can use your card on GPUGrid)
                                                                                                                            对不起, 我的中文不太好. (Sorry, my chinese is not very good)

                                                                                                                            Explaining OC will be too much for me if the question was about that (But I doubt as he/she did not crunch a single Wu yet)

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                                                                                                                            Message 18034 - Posted 18 Jul 2010 11:36:43 UTC

                                                                                                                              How is the gtx 460 doing?

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                                                                                                                              Message 18037 - Posted 18 Jul 2010 17:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 18034.

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                                                                                                                                How is the gtx 460 doing?


                                                                                                                                Not working so far.

                                                                                                                                See this thread for details and development.

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                                                                                                                                Message 18060 - Posted 19 Jul 2010 16:36:28 UTC - in response to Message 7753.

                                                                                                                                  Could we please have an update to the comparison-chart at the beginning?
                                                                                                                                  GTX460/465 are missing.

                                                                                                                                  I'm looking for an replacement of my (old type) GTX260.

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                                                                                                                                  Message 18062 - Posted 19 Jul 2010 17:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 18060.

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                                                                                                                                    The GTX460 cards are still only at the Beta stage, but they do work. At the present time the GTX460 is about half the speed of a GTX480. It is likely that application developments will improve this over time.

                                                                                                                                    This post might help you decide what card to get and when,
                                                                                                                                    Boinc GPU Card comparisons in GFLOPS

                                                                                                                                    [edit] There has been a working application for the GTX460s and full tasks for a few days now. [/edit]

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                                                                                                                                    Message 18160 - Posted 24 Jul 2010 19:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 7753.

                                                                                                                                      - GTS 450, 440, 430 are not out yet, or did I miss something?

                                                                                                                                      - the GF 8800M GTS (G92, 64 shaders, 240 GFlops) is marked as green, whereas GF 320 (GT215, 72 shaders, 281 GFlops) is marked as "to slow". Considering the newer architecture of GF 320 it's equivalent to >400 GFlops of the old CUDA Hardware 1.1 chips.

                                                                                                                                      - should be "too slow" instead of "to slow"

                                                                                                                                      - GT240 is green, but GF 340 is yellow.. they're both the same cards

                                                                                                                                      - G92 cards are marked as green for mobile and quadros, but yellow for desktops

                                                                                                                                      Don't want to sound harsh.. keep up the good work guys :)

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                                                                                                                                      Message 18167 - Posted 26 Jul 2010 12:45:33 UTC - in response to Message 18160.

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                                                                                                                                        The GF106 and GF108 Fermi cards have not been released yet. Going by recent reports, which say manufacturers have not received samples yet, they now look more likely to turn up in September than in August. When they do arrive there is no guarantee they will work straight out of the box. They are likely to be significantly different from GF100 and GF104 designs. So the scientists will probably take a few days to get working code. Perhaps coming soon rather than recommended.

                                                                                                                                        NVidia said the entire range of Fermi cards will support CUDA, so it’s a reasonable bet that all but the slimmest Fermi’s can be made to work here.

                                                                                                                                        By the way, there is only one GT240 and it uses a GT215 design, not a GT240 design; it’s listed twice, once as GT240 and once as GT215.
                                                                                                                                        I think that GeForce 230 may be some sort of bespoke OEM product or more likely a GT 230M (158 GFlops), and therefore in the wrong chart. It would probably be too slow anyway; less than a GeForce GT 220. GT 230M's are also for laptops, which are generally not recommended for GPU crunching.

                                                                                                                                        Although slower than a GT 240, both the GeForce GT 320 (72 shaders) and the GT 315 should work, both are CC1.2. The GT 325 is essentially a GT 220, so although it is slow it would get through 1 normal length task in about 24h. As listed the GT 210 would be too slow.

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