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Message 48765 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 14:36:49 UTC

I'm thinking it might have to do with my work completed page, it shows 9 errors going back to 2013 with only 14 completed work units. I have to pound the update button for 40 minutes and I might get 3 work units.
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Message 48766 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 16:03:52 UTC

Same here for the past few days :
While my 2 GPU's are sitting idle (LHC is using the CPU though), I'm getting no new WU's, apart from just one this afternoon...

When checking the server state, it says that there are 15,931 WU's available for download...

Is there an issue somewhere ?

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Message 48767 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 16:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 48766.

You are both not getting work because the queue is empty for now. there will be times when work is available but is sucked up by all the other hosts looking for work.
The 15,000 plus WU's on server status page are Quantum Chemistry WU's which are CPU and Linux only for now.

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Message 48768 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 16:16:19 UTC
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I just got 3 WU's when I should have received 6, the only other project I'm working on right now is Rosetta which is CPU based and it's set to a much lower priority.

Edit: I see that now, I'm not used to them running that type of WU's, thanks Betting Slip.

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Message 48769 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 17:27:50 UTC - in response to Message 48767.

Ok, Thanks !

I was suspecting something in that sense.

Thanks for confirming !

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Message 48770 - Posted: 31 Jan 2018 | 18:13:14 UTC

Everyone with no GPUGrid work: I recommend having a backup project and setting the resource share to 0. This will automatically start this backup project as soon as GPUGrid is out of work.

The main reason I recommend this is not only to help other projects, but to keep your GPU hot as thermal expansion contraction is what cracks the very delicate pins on your GPU and keeping it hot at all times will hopefully mitigate failure.

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Message 49220 - Posted: 29 Mar 2018 | 10:28:59 UTC

Hi Everyone,

Just quick question :
Over the past 3-4 weeks, WU's trickle in slowly. Where I'm able to crunch up to 12 long runs a day, I only get 6-8, sometimes more, sometimes less.

For the past two days now, there are no WU's avaialble anymore.

Is this a temporary situation ? Just asking, no stress.

A second question : Does GPUGrid work with a quotum/day ?
On all projects, I have configured to receive 3 days of work and it works
an all the other projects. Only on GPUGrid, I get max 1 day of work at any one
time.

As my system is quite powerful, it burns through the stack more rapidly, leaving it idle for some time before I get new WU's (typically when the US day starts).
I mitigated the idle time with Milkyway and manage with resource allocation priorities to give priority to GPUGrid, but it would be more helpful if I could get a pot of 3 days, so I can continuously crunch.

Can anyone comment ?

Thanks in advance !

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Message 49224 - Posted: 29 Mar 2018 | 18:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 49220.

Quite a few threads asking the same thing.
http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=4739

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Message 49246 - Posted: 7 Apr 2018 | 18:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 49224.

Two things which might affect access to new work.

1) It seems that over the weekend, production of new work units lags -- quite a bit.

2) When another 'high volume, high credit project' is not running, folks who have GPUGrid as a back up project redirect to GPUGrid -- more mouths for GPUGrid to feed.

Collatz is in a 'reprogram' mode to cope with some apparent gridcoin hacker types who found an end run to maximize their credits big time.

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Message 49272 - Posted: 15 Apr 2018 | 20:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 49246.

This has been an ongoing issue for GPUGrid - the problem has existed for years -- too little work for users. It gets worse when other projects are coping with an outage. Collatz is dealing with one now so folks who have GPUGrid as an alternative project are trying (with rare success) to get workunits here.

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Message 49274 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018 | 3:28:57 UTC

How did the miners figure out how to cheat? Are they returning false results, are other projects at risk?

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Message 49276 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018 | 11:00:41 UTC

I have also observed that the Network weight of GRC increased significantly and payouts are more difficult to get. I hope that this is because of higher commitment of crunchers and not the result of fraudulent practices. If the latter, someone is making money on GRC without contributing to science, abusing the idea of GRC and Boinc unshamedly. Is there anybody to check that?
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Message 49282 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018 | 15:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 49276.

I hope that this is because of higher commitment of crunchers and not the result of fraudulent practices.


That's precisely why I think this (crunching) should remain a points only system with no monetary gain, I refuse to mine for profit, no good will come from it. Sooner or later someone will figure out a subtle cheat or shortcut and all the results going back months, if not years, will have to be thrown out and redone.

It's human nature, some of these new video games are cracked before they are released. The only reason why some beta testers volunteer is to find a way to peel back their security layers, it's a very sad situation.

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Message 49287 - Posted: 16 Apr 2018 | 17:39:49 UTC

Based on what the Collatz admin mentioned as fixes to the project I guess the task name gave a clue to what the expected results should have been. It was able to create the results that passed the checks w/o actually doing the processing. All tasks were the same very high point value which doesn't happen with collatz and very, very quickly. 340k vs typical 28k or so points. Completed in 5 seconds vs a couple minutes. With a GTX 760. Hundreds of hosts, about 7.7b in credit in a couple of weeks.

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Message 49319 - Posted: 19 Apr 2018 | 5:27:31 UTC - in response to Message 49282.

I hope that this is because of higher commitment of crunchers and not the result of fraudulent practices.


That's precisely why I think this (crunching) should remain a points only system with no monetary gain, I refuse to mine for profit, no good will come from it. Sooner or later someone will figure out a subtle cheat or shortcut ...

This is exactly what I feel, too!

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Message 49324 - Posted: 19 Apr 2018 | 9:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 49319.
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Well, I think that GRC itself, understood as an incentive for spending work, energy and money on the public good is not a bad idea. The main point is that crypto mining should not have priority and science must prevail. I think we do all agree on that. The problem I see is that GRC is still open for speculative trading like other (non-scientific but energy wasting) crypto currencies. If we support the proof-of-research path but make buying (not selling) GRC more difficult by a speculation tax (income can be used e.g. as a prize money for the best published work) that would put adventurers off for sure.

Fortunately, we are far away from making profit with GRC at the current rate.
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Message 49326 - Posted: 19 Apr 2018 | 11:08:55 UTC - in response to Message 49324.

Well, I think that GRC itself, understood as an incentive for spending work, energy and money on the public good is not a bad idea. The main point is that crypto mining should not have priority and science must prevail.

I couldn't agree more. The main reason I promote gridcoin is because: does anyone know how many millions of GPUs are crunching away at worthless cryptocurrency calculations, that benefit nothing for society? What if those GPUs were doing something that actually benefited everyone? You can be assured these greedy people are not going to "volunteer" their 10s of thousands of dollar electric bills and hundreds of thousands of dollars in GPUs in warehouses for science without a financial incentive. If we even get one warehouse full of GPUs on BOINC I will consider it a success.

We can't keep splitting the BOINC community of whether Gridcoin is good for it or not. People will always find ways to loophole the system, no matter what system we are talking about. The best thing we can do is take measures to prevent them from breaking our scientific progress. It's not worth writing off all of Gridcoin because of one incident that can be prevented in the future.

I can tell you right now I would not have been able to afford my mutliple watercooled 1080tis if it weren't for this coin. The only thing that benefits from this is science.


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Message 49332 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 1:25:00 UTC

I'm curious about your comment about being able to afford your Ti's. Does that mean that you actually converted your GRC to real monies? And then used those real monies to purchase your Ti's. Or do you mean you see a paper profit in your GRC account that would pay for your cards if you converted those ephemeral gridcoins.

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Message 49333 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 11:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 49332.

I'm curious about your comment about being able to afford your Ti's. Does that mean that you actually converted your GRC to real monies? And then used those real monies to purchase your Ti's. Or do you mean you see a paper profit in your GRC account that would pay for your cards if you converted those ephemeral gridcoins.

During the spikes, such as when Gridcoin shot up to 22 cents each, I converted about half of my total gridcoin to USD using C-Cex exchange. This was enough to pretty much outright fund my expansion.

In the low value times such as now, the magnitude, of which determines how much gridcoin you get per day, is typically higher as less people are interested in crunching. I typically crunch the hardest when the gridcoin value is low due to the much higher rate of return I receive.

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Message 49335 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 12:33:47 UTC

Don't forget to pay taxes on that fortune your making, I heard the IRS is going to start chasing down the data miners.

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Message 49336 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 12:37:19 UTC - in response to Message 49335.

Don't forget to pay taxes on that fortune your making, I heard the IRS is going to start chasing down the data miners.

You only pay tax when you convert from the coin to USD. If anything, you can treat this as simply paying for the electric bill every month, providing free crunching and free heat. Or you could go the way I did and use that money to expand your operations, further accelerating science.

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Message 49338 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 13:20:44 UTC

Make sure you tell that to the IRS, they're pretty understanding. Seriously though, I've heard on TV and read a couple of articles that they were going to do this. Just be careful, you don't want those guys after you.

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Message 49341 - Posted: 20 Apr 2018 | 15:27:22 UTC
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https://cryptocurrencyfacts.com/2017/12/30/the-tax-rules-for-crypto-in-the-u-s-simplified/

seems that the US have quite hefty regulations indeed (tax on capital are due) and want to cut a slice off the crypto currency cake. Many countries in the EU (Germany, Austria..) are more gracious, if you hold your GRC for more than a year, it is deemed to be speculative trading and therefore tax-free. Taxes arise only when spending crypto coins within one year after acquisition.

Having said that, the infrastructure and energy cost for crunching charitably (= GRC acquisition) likely exceed the GRC profit by far. So it may be that there is a loss in total and no taxes to be paid, even in the states. Kindly contact your tax advisor to find out... and some simple bookkeeping might be helpful for US crunchers anyway.
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Message 49353 - Posted: 24 Apr 2018 | 16:45:30 UTC
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By the way... getting back to the topic... there is WORK, both long and short runs for our GPUs. Just wanted to give an honorable mention :)

PS: At present, there is sunshine in Austria and I can draw plenty of power from my photovoltaics and would be happy to add one more 1070ti to my machines, if there was a continuous stream of jobs. Which is not so easy to ensure, as interpreting the results need a lot of manpower too, if I understood the admins correctly. Well, Admins... I guess other fellow crunchers are also game for anything... so let the community know when there is need for expansion.
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Message 49354 - Posted: 24 Apr 2018 | 20:03:09 UTC - in response to Message 49353.

Sunshine and heat. The available work seems to ramp up just as the northern hemisphere (and my office) heats up. I had a nicely cooled GPU sitting idle too much of the winter, but now that there's work the GPU is starting to throttle back to keep the temperature reasonable.

argh!

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Message 49357 - Posted: 25 Apr 2018 | 3:36:55 UTC - in response to Message 49354.
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You could set a custom fan curve, using a tool like MSI Afterburner, to keep the GPU temps at a level that is below the thermal throttling thresholds. I use a custom fan curve that keeps my GTX 980 Ti temps at below 78*C, so they run at custom tested-stable overclocks, without downclocking.

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Message 49358 - Posted: 25 Apr 2018 | 11:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 49357.

You could set a custom fan curve, using a tool like MSI Afterburner, to keep the GPU temps at a level that is below the thermal throttling thresholds. I use a custom fan curve that keeps my GTX 980 Ti temps at below 78*C, so they run at custom tested-stable overclocks, without downclocking.


Yes, that's exactly what I do. I was hoping for the better solution of getting WUs in winter.

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Message 49359 - Posted: 25 Apr 2018 | 17:42:50 UTC - in response to Message 49358.

What brand of 980Ti?

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Message 49360 - Posted: 26 Apr 2018 | 14:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 49359.

I have 2 GTX 980 Ti GPUs in my system.
- eVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW, with a -70 downclock to be completely stable (tested).
- Dell GTX 980 Ti, with a +105 overclock that is completely stable (tested).

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Message 49361 - Posted: 26 Apr 2018 | 17:12:28 UTC - in response to Message 49360.

I have 2 GTX 980 Ti GPUs in my system.
- eVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW, with a -70 downclock to be completely stable (tested).
- Dell GTX 980 Ti, with a +105 overclock that is completely stable (tested).


You could always convert the EVGA to a hybrid. That would help with heating issues.

I've done that before with those 980Tis, if you can still find the kit. But it has to be for the FTW. There is a difference between the kit for the regular 980ti and the FTW version.

As for the dell. Not sure but might be able to use a regular hybrid kit.
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Message 49362 - Posted: 26 Apr 2018 | 17:31:22 UTC - in response to Message 49360.

I have 2 GTX 980 Ti GPUs in my system.
- eVGA GTX 980 Ti FTW, with a -70 downclock to be completely stable (tested).
- Dell GTX 980 Ti, with a +105 overclock that is completely stable (tested).

Dell made 980ti's? Is it just the stock cooler?

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Message 49366 - Posted: 28 Apr 2018 | 5:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 49357.

Jacob Klein wrote:

...I use a custom fan curve that keeps my GTX 980 Ti temps at below 78*C ...

how much below 78°C? slightly below, or far below? At which temps do your two 980ti's normally run?

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Message 49400 - Posted: 4 May 2018 | 21:40:09 UTC - in response to Message 49366.
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80*C is the thermal throttling point for Pascal GPUs like mine, I believe. So I set the fan curve such that it will hit max fan at 78*C, to keep the temps below 80*C, so those clocks are at maximum.

The GPUs routinely run between 60-78*C.

And yes, Dell made the GTX 980 Ti that came in my Alienware Area 51 R2. And yes it is a default cooler, runs great.

Once you figure out your max stable clocks, using MSI Afterburner to downclock/overclock as necessary, and set the fans up appropriately, you're generally good to go, even on projects like GPUGrid which are notoriously hard on GPUs.

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Message 50240 - Posted: 12 Aug 2018 | 7:53:56 UTC
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Hi, for 2 days I have not received wu ... is't vacation time in Barcelona?
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Message 50242 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018 | 19:20:33 UTC

Hi, i do not receive any WU (since 3 days) too.
What happens ?
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Message 50243 - Posted: 14 Aug 2018 | 3:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 50242.

What happens ?

Most probably: vacation time :-)

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Message 50248 - Posted: 17 Aug 2018 | 11:56:08 UTC

I have had "no tasks are available" message in boinc manager for all GPUGrid apps for the past week or 10 days. Server status says tasks are available. I don't think I've changed anything - no other projects are behaving this way. Windows 10, core i7, gtx 960m on this computer.

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Message 50249 - Posted: 17 Aug 2018 | 12:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 50248.

I have had "no tasks are available" message in boinc manager for all GPUGrid apps for the past week or 10 days. Server status says tasks are available. I don't think I've changed anything - no other projects are behaving this way. Windows 10, core i7, gtx 960m on this computer.


There are tasks but only for linux CPU app.
In the meantime you can use folding@home as a backup project.

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Message 50250 - Posted: 17 Aug 2018 | 17:11:46 UTC - in response to Message 50249.
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Will you have windows tasks in the future?

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Message 50251 - Posted: 17 Aug 2018 | 19:05:09 UTC - in response to Message 50250.

I'm not the member of the team ;)
But yes, for sure there will be work units for windows hosts. You just need to wait. We are in the middle of holidays.

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Message 50253 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 6:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 50243.

What happens ?

Most probably: vacation time :-)

the problem with the absence of GPU tasks for such long time is, of course, that if people change to other project in the meantime, like e.g. Folding@Home, they stick to the new project for the future and won't come back to GPUGRID.

This the GPUGRID people should be aware of.

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Message 50254 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 13:04:29 UTC - in response to Message 50253.
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My GPUs have been happily doing work for my 0-resource-share backup projects, and will happily switch back to doing work for my 100-resource-share GPUGrid project when work is available. All automatically.

I highly recommend adding some backup projects, and letting BOINC do its thing (SCIENCE!), and being patient while the scientists figure out the best time to queue up more work.

It's that simple.

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Message 50255 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 13:06:58 UTC

Both my Linux hosts are crunching GPUGRID tasks.
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Message 50256 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 13:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 50255.
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Tullio,

Those are Linux-only CPU tasks - Application:
- Quantum Chemistry v3.30 (mt).

The majority of GPUGrid users are looking for Windows GPU tasks, I think - Applications:
- Short runs (2-3 hours on fastest card)
- Long runs (8-12 hours on fastest card)

Do you understand the difference?

https://www.gpugrid.net/server_status.php
https://www.gpugrid.net/apps.php

PS: Also, you can look at the original poster's computer, by clicking their name, then View Computers - It is clear they want GPU tasks. Other users in the thread are, to my knowledge, wanting Windows GPU tasks.

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Message 50257 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 13:51:06 UTC - in response to Message 50256.

I only know that I get far more credits on a GPU task than on a CPU task. But I don't give a damn about credits.
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Message 50259 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 18:10:33 UTC

what would not hurt, though, is if the GPUGRID people could give us crunchers some kind of time schedule, or at least a rough idea, when new GPU tasks will be available again.

Maybe something like "we will be on vacation until ..."

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Message 50261 - Posted: 19 Aug 2018 | 20:29:19 UTC - in response to Message 50259.

what would not hurt, though, is if the GPUGRID people could give us crunchers some kind of time schedule, or at least a rough idea, when new GPU tasks will be available again.

Maybe something like "we will be on vacation until ..."


Agreed!!!

But is common courtesy too much to ask for? You tell me.

Luckily, there are other projects to crunch. So, that's what I am doing.


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Message 50264 - Posted: 20 Aug 2018 | 15:36:42 UTC

Just to let you know, the absence of windows GPU tasks may affect the whitelisting of gpugrid on gridcoin - you could lose alot of crunchers!

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Message 50265 - Posted: 20 Aug 2018 | 17:39:38 UTC
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Really, I have aimed at replacing my two 1070 and one 1080ti with new RTX 2080 this year. But as I see it, there is no need for more computing power on the GPU side and the Turing cards not significantly more power efficient than Pascal anyway (But much more expensive). So that money on the upgrade would be wasted. Doesn't really make sense buy a 1000$ card when there is no work for it. On the other hand, there always are plenty of CPU jobs here to be crunched. So it seems like a good point to buy an AMD Threadripper now and contribute on this side. Why not.
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Message 50267 - Posted: 21 Aug 2018 | 0:38:30 UTC - in response to Message 50265.

Really, I have aimed at replacing my two 1070 and one 1080ti with new RTX 2080 this year. But as I see it, there is no need for more computing power on the GPU side and the Turing cards not significantly more power efficient than Pascal anyway (But much more expensive). So that money on the upgrade would be wasted. Doesn't really make sense buy a 1000$ card when there is no work for it. On the other hand, there always are plenty of CPU jobs here to be crunched. So it seems like a good point to buy an AMD Threadripper now and contribute on this side. Why not.

That is my conclusion too. There is more CPU work than GPU work around. And I am limited by power dissipation anyway, so might as well use it for CPUs. The real improvement in GPUs won't come until 7nm, at which time the ground may have shifted further. I will wait and see.

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Message 50271 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018 | 5:23:35 UTC - in response to Message 50264.

- you could lose alot of crunchers!

there were some new tasks yesterday, but no ones any more since last night.
It's really kind of laborious :-(

As said before, it would indeed be helpful for us crunchers if the GPUGRID people could give us some kind of schedule, showing when tasks will be available on an ongoing basis, and when not.

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Message 50272 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018 | 8:42:54 UTC - in response to Message 50271.

As we have repeatedly read in various posts of this forum, the Barcelona researchers are more involved in the medical-scientific part than on the strictly technical and operative part.

It is they who provide the work to the system and the research is not an assembly line that is always fed at any time of the day.

Choosing to help this type of project rather than others is a subjective choice, most often gained after serious family pains.

The help that volunteers give to the research through GPUGRID will not give immediate results, we are aware of it, but perhaps it will serve to improve the lives of our children and grandchildren.

Stay with us, always!
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Message 50274 - Posted: 22 Aug 2018 | 11:21:51 UTC

@ [PUGLIA] kidkidkid3: I fully agree with what you are saying. But still, ...

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