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Message 43266 - Posted: 28 Apr 2016 | 11:16:56 UTC

Hi,
we finally have a new PhD student starting in June and another one by the end of the year.
So our usage of GPUGRID will raise again after June.

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Message 43267 - Posted: 28 Apr 2016 | 11:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 43266.

SO more work for us to crunch ? good good :)

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Message 43268 - Posted: 28 Apr 2016 | 13:00:49 UTC - in response to Message 43266.
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Wwlcome to both in advance and, like Maxinna said, it's a great "crunchy"good news for us !!!

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Message 43274 - Posted: 28 Apr 2016 | 18:25:14 UTC

this is very good news :-)
Congratulations !!!

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Message 43278 - Posted: 29 Apr 2016 | 5:07:47 UTC

Will you have work for Nvidia Tesla cards?

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Message 43279 - Posted: 29 Apr 2016 | 10:15:08 UTC

Good news!
Thanks for the heads-up Gianni :)
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Message 43280 - Posted: 29 Apr 2016 | 11:56:17 UTC

Nice - so my GTX750 will be able to crunch continously.

But what about my AMD R9 280X? (Finally it will catch a cold....)

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Message 43497 - Posted: 23 May 2016 | 10:28:38 UTC
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Guys, is there a reason why don't you support other project with you resources, while you don't have any work unit to crunch? Like Einstein, Rosetta or World Community Grid.

Thanks for the answer.

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Message 43499 - Posted: 23 May 2016 | 11:01:48 UTC - in response to Message 43497.
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Honestly, I'm becoming ambivalent to BOINC projects and have crunched for Rosetta for many years also many others.

Lack of any feeling of a purpose usually because scientists of many projects think that a project and its users are "set and forget". You tend to lose the inspiration that you might actually be contributing to something worthwhile.

A lot of projects fade away and I wonder whether we are doing any real science or just the "grunt" work to prove a concept for someone whom doesn't want to pay the cost of doing "grunt" work on their own clusters or someone elses.

GPUGrid is my last project standing.

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I also believe that "Scientists" in general do NOT have any confidence in BOINC or the concept of distributed computing.

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Message 43502 - Posted: 23 May 2016 | 14:05:48 UTC - in response to Message 43499.

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I can buy in to some of that. You do begin to wonder whether your efforts are worthwhile. But you have to remember that if these projects were major efforts by big pharmaceutical companies, they would probably be run on their own computers. But in fact, there seems to be a bias by a lot of people that these projects are not proprietary, which means that they will be published and perhaps that is as far as they get.

So these projects are often student exercises. There is nothing wrong with that; some of the most creative ideas (right or wrong) come during your early years, and you may not have the chance to try them out in later employment. And you may not know whether the results will be useful for many years even after they are published. So look at the science, and if it looks worthwhile, I would give it a go.

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Message 43509 - Posted: 23 May 2016 | 16:54:55 UTC - in response to Message 43502.
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But you have to remember that if these projects were major efforts by big pharmaceutical companies, they would probably be run on their own computers.
They do this kind of research.
See http://top500.org/statistics/sublist/.
Select "All" lists and try different "Application area"s like Biology, Biochemistry, Life science, Medicine, Pharmaceutics.
Not all supercomputers are public.
Or try google pharmaceutics supercomputer or supercomputing pharma.
The main reason for doing this kind of research via BOINC is that the results are published, so it won't be the intellectual property of one big pharma company.

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Message 43510 - Posted: 23 May 2016 | 18:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 43509.
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In theory, 100 GeForce GTX 1080 cards would have 887,300 TFlops SP and would scrape into that top 100 super computer list.

Noticed this one:
92nd Barcelona Supercomputing Center Spain MareNostrum
- iDataPlex DX360M4, Xeon E5-2670 8C 2.600GHz, Infiniband FDR
IBM 48,896 925.1 1,017.0 1,015.6 KW

6112 CPU's @ $1552/CPU = $9.5M + rest of the 2S systems and 1MW electric!

100 GTX1080's would use ~18KW. The rest of the systems might bring that up to 20KW - 25KW. Total purchase Cost ~$100,000.

< 1/100th of the purchase cost and < 1/40th the electricity, smaller footprint...

While I appreciate GPU's can't do everything CPU's can, only one 'super-computer' makes any sense.

Many research groups may be able to afford 25 computers with 4 such GPU's, but not all and what better way to do research than to reach out to the masses and facilitate all those non-researchers/enthusiasts/crunchers interested in supporting sensible, affordable scientific research, and allow them to actively participate via DC not just in scientific research but the greater scientific community.
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Message 43512 - Posted: 24 May 2016 | 1:27:34 UTC

What is an amazing discovery is that out of the three replys to my post NON have addressed anything I said.

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Message 43514 - Posted: 24 May 2016 | 7:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 43497.

Guys, is there a reason why don't you support other project with you resources, while you don't have any work unit to crunch? Like Einstein, Rosetta or World Community Grid.

Einstein@home: Not biomedical, but have GPU (CUDA) app
Rosetta@home: Biomedical, but CPU only
WCG: it has Biomedical projects, but right now CPU only

By the way I've changed my mind long ago, and I've set Einstein@home as my backup (GPU) project. SETI@Home also have a GPU (CUDA) app.

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Message 43515 - Posted: 24 May 2016 | 8:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 43512.

What is an amazing discovery is that out of the three replys to my post NON have addressed anything I said.

Maybe our replies didn't directly respond to your comments, but perhaps that's because we get where you are coming from.
Generally there is a gap between the DC researchers and the crunchers. Here that gap has been bridged somewhat, however this is about the most complex scientific research being performed by DC and it's not a big, well funded group. All the research papers that resulted from our work are available to us and the general public. Perhaps the scientists could better elaborate on the results; explain what they mean, how they are/may be useful, but they have put some effort in.
With respect to DC it's viable as I've pointed out. Boinc isn't perfect but it does let us contribute to several/many projects, if we want to - good when there is a drought.
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Message 43522 - Posted: 24 May 2016 | 14:19:39 UTC - in response to Message 43514.

SETI@Home also have a GPU (CUDA) app.

If attaching to SETI for NV work note that you will receive both cuda and opencl tasks. Make sure that you're running 362.00 (or previous) drivers or the new 368.22:

https://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=4291&nowrap=true#43513

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Message 43526 - Posted: 24 May 2016 | 17:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 43512.

What is an amazing discovery is that out of the three replys to my post NON have addressed anything I said.

I did get the fact that you were unhappy, but other than that you weren't very clear. If you have a question, why don't you ask it? Otherwise, we are free (and required) to interpret what you said for ourselves.

But I always point out, on this and other forums, that unless the research is applied, it doesn't do any good. Supporting very basic reseach without any immediate application is fine; it should be done. But you can't then expect to see any great results right away either.

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Message 43601 - Posted: 27 May 2016 | 9:08:10 UTC - in response to Message 43526.

Well, groups also don't have the funding or manpower of a Pharma to do the whole pipeline of drug discovery so they limit themselves to more basic research which is then applied in some cases by Pharma.
Pharmas also is in most cases simulating confidential structures so that would go a bit against the principles of some BOINC projects.
Also some stuff like my last paper on our software and my next paper on OPM are a proof-of-concept in a way to convince people of the power of the software and such simulations. Might sound quite indirect, however if you consider that it can convince companies to use it in applied research (already happening at least in one case) which could improve their productivity it's not such an indirect gain in my eyes. I actually (personally) feel this has more of an impact than our group studying a specific system related to a disease because most of the times people in pharmaceuticals have more experience doing that.

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Message 43611 - Posted: 27 May 2016 | 19:34:38 UTC - in response to Message 43514.

Einstein@home: Not biomedical, but have GPU (CUDA) app
Rosetta@home: Biomedical, but CPU only
WCG: it has Biomedical projects, but right now CPU only


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Message 43627 - Posted: 28 May 2016 | 21:20:49 UTC - in response to Message 43611.

Einstein@home: Not biomedical, but have GPU (CUDA) app
Rosetta@home: Biomedical, but CPU only
WCG: it has Biomedical projects, but right now CPU only
Poem@Home (opencl)

POEM has both CPU and GPU workunits. The GPU application used to crash a lot, but now seems stable. Their opencl workunits are well behaved and finish fast.
The project science is similar to Rosetta, predict spatial structure of protein. Beside that I don't now what they simulate. Have always plenty of work. Admins are quiet.

OT: What does [VENETO] or other in squarebrackets in usernames mean?
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Message 43630 - Posted: 29 May 2016 | 5:10:50 UTC

POEM GPU units are intended to "crystallisation studies of organic molecules" more than biomedical investigation like Rosetta or GPUgrid. On the other hand, POEM CPU units are intended to protein simulation .

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Message 43631 - Posted: 29 May 2016 | 7:17:55 UTC - in response to Message 43627.
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OT: What does [VENETO] or other in squarebrackets in usernames mean?


Hi, it's a group of a team (here VENETO is a region of Italy).
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Message 43761 - Posted: 10 Jun 2016 | 8:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 43627.
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OT: What does [VENETO] or other in squarebrackets in usernames mean?


Like KidKidKid said, Boinc Italy team uses the regions of Italy as beginning of usernames (it's not mandatory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Italy
VENETO is one of these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneto

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Message 44019 - Posted: 19 Jul 2016 | 10:55:43 UTC
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I just downloaded a WU compiled by Adria.

Is the the new student?

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Message 44095 - Posted: 6 Aug 2016 | 5:22:43 UTC

new student has left? I am asking because the periods without new tasks available are getting more frequent and longer.

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Message 44205 - Posted: 17 Aug 2016 | 1:51:07 UTC

More work please. Crunching for other projects but would love to crunch more for GPUGrid.

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Message 44464 - Posted: 9 Sep 2016 | 10:43:28 UTC

Can anyone from the GPUGRID people enlighten us on the current status with regard to new students producing tasks for us?

In the recent past, we received Adria tasks, Amber tasks, Gianni tasks; but this morning, again zero new tasks available, until Gerard jumped in and provided some (which might again be used up in a few hours).

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Message 44493 - Posted: 12 Sep 2016 | 19:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 44464.

Can anyone from the GPUGRID people enlighten us on the current status with regard to new students producing tasks for us?

In the recent past, we received Adria tasks, Amber tasks, Gianni tasks; but this morning, again zero new tasks available, until Gerard jumped in and provided some (which might again be used up in a few hours).



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Message 44511 - Posted: 13 Sep 2016 | 7:08:32 UTC

I am not sure what the impatience is. I mean I would love to have the new student "meet us" on the forums and tell us about themselves, but when it comes to work and tasks that don't fail, doesn't that come with time and learning the system a little? Do new students in the past usually just step into the school, write tasks, and have them work with no issues, or is being a student of anything usually have a learning curve over those that have been around for a long time? Just sayin'/askin'.
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Message 44521 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016 | 16:19:39 UTC - in response to Message 44511.

I am not sure what the impatience is.

I wouldn't call it impatience. It's just the desire for a little bit more information about what's going on at GPUGRID staff-wise.
I would think that we crunchers simply deserve getting this kind of information, don't you agree?

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Message 44539 - Posted: 15 Sep 2016 | 18:57:15 UTC - in response to Message 44521.

I am not sure what the impatience is.

I wouldn't call it impatience. It's just the desire for a little bit more information about what's going on at GPUGRID staff-wise.
I would think that we crunchers simply deserve getting this kind of information, don't you agree?


Especially when it seems that the project has big problems with staff...

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Message 44540 - Posted: 15 Sep 2016 | 18:57:21 UTC - in response to Message 44521.

I am not sure what the impatience is.

I wouldn't call it impatience. It's just the desire for a little bit more information about what's going on at GPUGRID staff-wise.
I would think that we crunchers simply deserve getting this kind of information, don't you agree?


Especially when it seems that the project has big problems with staff...

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Message 44544 - Posted: 15 Sep 2016 | 23:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 44521.
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I am not sure what the impatience is.

I wouldn't call it impatience. It's just the desire for a little bit more information about what's going on at GPUGRID staff-wise.
I would think that we crunchers simply deserve getting this kind of information, don't you agree?

Nah, not really. They aren't staff, they are students. We are volunteers doing work that we know is valuable. The details of each and every work unit, student, and type of experiment are surely desirable, but not deserved. We've read the papers that got published, we know the work has dividends to the students and to science, computing methods, and health issues, and we accept to do that work. I think that is the end of expectations, at least for me. After that, its all eye candy and extra goodies. If a problem arises, I think there is a deserved answer and/or solution, but who the new student is and what the exact work they are achieving would only be 'desired', in my opinion. If there was an option on choosing in the options what 'type' of work we do on our pcs, like if we could only choose methods or only choose cancer, or something like that, then we would be deserving of knowing the details of the kind of work being done under that type maybe.

Either way, I think desired, yes, but deserved, no.

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Message 44548 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016 | 9:27:30 UTC - in response to Message 44544.

Nah, not really.
Either way, I think desired, yes, but deserved, no.

Two crunchers - two opinions :-)

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Message 44557 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016 | 8:35:55 UTC

I will have some simulations going this week hopefully, which will be again a bit brutal (it's the OPM again). That will be around 700 sims, plus another 700 soon after (maybe next week?) for a different forcefield. That should conclude my work on that paper.

Also I am running some NTL9 simulations but these are a bit few (on purpose).

Beyond that we have Pablo looking for an interesting project these days so I think he should soon have something to simulate.

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Message 44562 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016 | 20:06:08 UTC - in response to Message 44548.

Nah, not really.
Either way, I think desired, yes, but deserved, no.

Two crunchers - two opinions :-)

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Message 44564 - Posted: 22 Sep 2016 | 0:54:06 UTC - in response to Message 44557.

I will have some simulations going this week hopefully, which will be again a bit brutal (it's the OPM again). That will be around 700 sims, plus another 700 soon after (maybe next week?) for a different forcefield. That should conclude my work on that paper.

Also I am running some NTL9 simulations but these are a bit few (on purpose).

I'm getting a lot of the SDOERR_OPM WUs. I would suggest that they be limited to GPUs with 2GB or more memory. They're dog slow on 1GB cards. Once again, we could use a 3rd queue for these long and demanding WUs.

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I will have some simulations going this week hopefully, which will be again a bit brutal (it's the OPM again). That will be around 700 sims, plus another 700 soon after (maybe next week?) for a different forcefield. That should conclude my work on that paper.

Also I am running some NTL9 simulations but these are a bit few (on purpose).

Beyond that we have Pablo looking for an interesting project these days so I think he should soon have something to simulate.


Hi Stefan,

Did you intend to use minimum replication 2 at the outset or is that an error? I note that minimum qourum remains 1 so you are not replicating for redundancy

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