Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : A lot of Failures on XP with a GTX470
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I am getting a lot of errors after "upgrading" to a GTX470 on a dedicated cruncher. I was running a GTX275 before. I know the 470 is still an older card, but the price was right. Free, thanks to a team-mate! | |
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I also found these error messages: | |
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I am running XP on that machine currently, but will be upgrading soon. Correct me if I am wrong but I think the general consensus amongst Windows users who crunch GPUgrid is that with respect to running GPUgrid tasks, getting rid of XP and installing Vista/7/8 is actually a downgrade in terms of both performance and stability. The only OS option available to you that is truly an upgrade is to switch to Linux... best performance, most user friendly and most stable. ____________ BOINC <<--- credit whores, pedants, alien hunters | |
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I am running XP on that machine currently, but will be upgrading soon. Second that! skgiven discusses this (XP vs vista/7/8)performance issue on another thread here: http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=3615&nowrap=true#34939 | |
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I've been debating switching over to Ubuntu on that machine. It will be a learning curve, but you gotta learn sometime! | |
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There is a bit of a learning curve and there is the possibility that there is something wrong with your hardware. Ubuntu can't fix a hardware problem so to avoid disappointment and a scenario like "darn, I've invested 2 months into learning Linux and my card still gets errors!", I would do a little more research into what's going wrong in your situation. Let me explain. | |
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There is a bit of a learning curve. I WISH someone would come up with a package for linux that would include everything one needs, and it auto installs! That would make it ALOT easier for us Windows folks to switch over to Linux. I don't care which version of Linux it works on as long as it is a free one, but being able to have essentially a plug and play setup would make things REALLY nice and easy. Maybe even two packages, or one with the option to use or not use a gpu, and include all the lib etc files one needs to crunch for any project. I know I am dreaming again, but hey it is fun!! | |
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Mikey, I've been thinking exactly the same thing. It's doable but would it be accepted and adopted? The idea deserves a new thread as it's kind of off-topic in this one. I have to go now but if you want to start a new thread on it I can join later with some ideas I have. Let's get some ideas regarding exactly what people want and what they would be willing to try and/or adopt and see what can be done. | |
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Mikey, I've been thinking exactly the same thing. It's doable but would it be accepted and adopted? The idea deserves a new thread as it's kind of off-topic in this one. I have to go now but if you want to start a new thread on it I can join later with some ideas I have. Let's get some ideas regarding exactly what people want and what they would be willing to try and/or adopt and see what can be done. That works for me. | |
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I am getting a lot of errors after "upgrading" to a GTX470 on a dedicated cruncher.... It could cause the errors in itself. You should set the BOINC manager to use the GPU while your computer is in use, and if there are some applications which need a lot of GPU power then you should put them on the exclusive application list in the BOINC manager, or suspend GPU activity in the BOINC manager manually (by right clicking on its icon) when you are using those apps. You should also set the BOINC manager to use the CPU at 100% of the time (to avoid suspending and resuming a LOT). I have the TThrottle running and keeping the GPU temp at or below 90 degrees Celsius. I am sure it probably throttling it back occasionally. Without TThrottle running the temp gets to around 92 degrees Celsius. Maybe TThrottle suspending the apps that often, so you should find another way to reduce the GPU temperature, as 90ºC is way too high. You should: 1. clean the fins of the GPU's cooler with an air duster. 2. Increase the airflow in your computer's case. (add 1 fan at a time as adding too many fans could be counter productive, or remove the side cover) 3. Increase the GPU's fan speed with a 3rd party utility like MSI Afterburner (it works with other manufacturer's cards too) 4. lower your GPU's frequency and its operating voltage. I am currently running the latest version of BOINC and the latest graphics driver. I am running XP on that machine currently, but will be upgrading soon. XP is the best Windows OS for GPU crunching. Any ideas? Should I stop Tthrottle or set the temperature a little higher? Try to keep the card's temperature as low as possible. Don't let it go over 80ºC in the long term. | |
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Is that a typo to recommend to lower the voltage? ;) | |
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However, the fan on the card is barely running and when it does get to 90 it self regulates and never gets over 92. I had set Tthrottle at 90, but changed it to 92 and now I am not seeing the suspend/resume cycle anymore. That's the problem... the fan isn't ramping up fast enough. 2 of my 3 cards are like that too and I have to "manually" force the fan to a higher speed. You can use MSI Afterburner to do that on your card. If it's in a cold garage you should easily be able to keep the temp below 70*C. Though the specs may say low 90s is fine I would try for at least less than 80*C. If that all works out then I would say you won't be disappointed migrating to Linux. However, since that machine is a dedicated cruncher, I have to wonder if it makes sense to migrate. I mean yes XP is reaching end of life but if the only thing that machine does is crunch then it probably doesn't need constant security updates. And it doesn't suffer from all the things that afflict Vista/7/8. I'm not trying to talk you out of Linux, just saying don't do work you don't need to do. On the other hand, just wanting to see what Linux is all about is a good enough reason and I doubt you'll find the learning curve as nasty as a lot of people think it is. Also, Linux has some nice networking functionality built in (or installable for free) that you might find handy for managing your rigs remotely. ____________ BOINC <<--- credit whores, pedants, alien hunters | |
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Is that a typo to recommend to lower the voltage? ;) No :) When the GPU temperature is that high - and there's no other way to reduce that - you should underclock your GPU, and as a consequence of the lower clock you can reduce the voltage also, which will further decrease the power draw of the GPU. | |
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I'm on the 'fix the fan curve' team. Because you are in a cold garage it should be easy to get the fan curve fixed to keep temps lower and you could then also stop running T-Throttle. The old 4XX GPUS are known to be power hogs and more specifically the pattern moves from linear to logarithmic after 75C. Crank the fan and let your 470 do it's best!!! | |
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Everyone - | |
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If that all works out then I would say you won't be disappointed migrating to Linux. However, since that machine is a dedicated cruncher, I have to wonder if it makes sense to migrate. I mean yes XP is reaching end of life but if the only thing that machine does is crunch then it probably doesn't need constant security updates. And it doesn't suffer from all the things that afflict Vista/7/8. I'm not trying to talk you out of Linux, just saying don't do work you don't need to do. On the other hand, just wanting to see what Linux is all about is a good enough reason and I doubt you'll find the learning curve as nasty as a lot of people think it is. Also, Linux has some nice networking functionality built in (or installable for free) that you might find handy for managing your rigs remotely. Good point, the only thing it does is connect to BOINC and TeamViewer. As long as I don't surf on it I should be ok with AVG running on it. Thanks for all the advice, Chuck | |
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Because you are in a cold garage it should be easy to get the fan curve fixed to keep temps lower and you could then also stop running T-Throttle. So, I can stop running Tthrottle now? I guess that makes sense now that Afterburner is consistently keeping it around 70. Thanks, Chuck | |
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Because you are in a cold garage it should be easy to get the fan curve fixed to keep temps lower and you could then also stop running T-Throttle. Glad to hear you've got it down to ~70. Yes, stop running TThrottle. Are the fans running at maximum speed? I believe maximum is 80%? I'm asking because as the weather becomes warmer you'll need to increase the fan speed to maintain the 70*C target temperature. It would be nice if you had software that could monitor the actual temp and adjust the fan speed to maintain the target temp. Does MSI Afterburner or anything for Windows do that? The alternative to temperature monitoring software is to modify the firmware in the GPU's BIOS which is what Snow Crash refers to as "recurving the fan speed". ____________ BOINC <<--- credit whores, pedants, alien hunters | |
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Dagorath - | |
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OIC now what Snow Crash meant by fixing the curve. | |
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chuckbens - looking at your successful tasks I think you can get much more from you 470 as they are reporting many times "suspended by user request". | |
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While computer is in use = checked I have my computer usage set to less than 85% because I log into the machin with TeamViewer once a day or so (more lately) to check on it. I recently uninstalled Tthrottle on it - that may have been trying to throttle it back when the temp got too high. The temps are great now thanks to Afterburner! Chuck | |
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I just checked on my previous tasks - I shoulda done it sooner... | |
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The reason that your GPU is stopping and starting may be that the CPU is starting and stopping. When you set CPU usage at 90%, it runs at 100% for a bit then stops for a bit. Try setting your CPU usage at 100% so the GPU can receive constant support from a CPU core. If you need to free up CPU resources try setting the maximum number of cores used for crunching to 1 less than the number of available cores. | |
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The reason that your GPU is stopping and starting may be that the CPU is starting and stopping. When you set CPU usage at 90%, it runs at 100% for a bit then stops for a bit. Try setting your CPU usage at 100% so the GPU can receive constant support from a CPU core. If you need to free up CPU resources try setting the maximum number of cores used for crunching to 1 less than the number of available cores. I HATE those non intuitive settings, a non programmer would think like chuckbens did, 90% means run all the time but at only 90% usage, NOT 100% on for 9 out of ten clock ticks then 100% off for 1 clock tick! This ends up with a 90% average, but that isn't what most people think of when they see that setting. Most people think of it as a dimming light switch, not like a standard on or off light switch. | |
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Since loading nvidia driver 335.23 when my computer starts up I get an error on the work unit that was being processed when I shut down. | |
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Try to exit Boinc and then shut down. | |
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Thank you I will try that when current work unit has finished. | |
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Hi Fred, Don't worry about posting in the wrong place, it doesn't bother anyone here. | |
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This might be some odd security issue with the driver. Possibly being blocked by antivirus or the system, or just taking to long to load... | |
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Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : A lot of Failures on XP with a GTX470