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Message 28799 - Posted: 26 Feb 2013 | 18:17:11 UTC

Sorry 4 my bad english, but i'm a GPU Grid-BIONIC user from austria and I've got 1 582 600 Credit points that my GPU computes for these projekts.

I don't know how much the company GPU-Grid gets for successfull comleted projects wich are made for "the science" but I can classify the amount of research funds.

As far as i'm concerned its a very onesided undertaking and in many other (voluntary) (medicinal) projects you get coupons for amazone or else. I know that because my parents are doctors and for a pharmaceutical study we usually get an 40 EURO amazone "pin money" for one complete onlinestudy.

For the year 2011 the Austrian tax amount for research counts about 600 million Euros.

I'm conviced that the investigators who work with the successfully finished projects earn much money for their work. And I know nearly nobody who works for none like a user from BOINC and pays extra for electricity and hardware costs in the end.

So finally I suggest the investigators of the BOINC Client software who work with our computational power to contrive an profitable remuneration!

Sincerely from austria,

G√ľnther S. alias strebsi

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Message 28800 - Posted: 26 Feb 2013 | 18:27:49 UTC

This project solely relies on volunteers meaning you don't get back anything at all, besides some badges and credits. You can also donate money so the scientists can keep this project running. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to contribute. People contribute for nothing here because they believe in the research the scientists are doing, not because they want to earn something.
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Message 28801 - Posted: 26 Feb 2013 | 18:56:17 UTC

Thank you for your statement!
That proves my hypothesis.
I don't think that you're working in this company for no pay.

I feel very exploited in this affair and it's a matter of fact that you choose the voluntary computing "to exploit" the common user and to save money for super computers...

I know that money plays the leading part in this affair because from the success of the projects the whole world profits. Not only for the health but also for the financial aspect.

For instance the the University of Washington which conducts the client rosetta@home belongs to the richest universities of the worls with an amount of 2.2 billion US dollars.

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Message 28802 - Posted: 26 Feb 2013 | 19:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 28801.
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Thank you for your statement!
That proves my hypothesis.
I don't think that you're working in this company for no pay.

I feel very exploited in this affair and it's a matter of fact that you choose the voluntary computing "to exploit" the common user and to save money for super computers...

I know that money plays the leading part in this affair because from the success of the projects the whole world profits. Not only for the health but also for the financial aspect.

For instance the the University of Washington which conducts the client rosetta@home belongs to the richest universities of the worls with an amount of 2.2 billion US dollars.

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I can understand what you're saying and if you feel exploited then just leave the project... In the real world you may not get anything back from work you might be doing. Think of many volunteering work people do and they don't get compensated for that. Why they do it? Because they want to help out or they feel good while doing it...

As for supercomputers, remember that they are scarce and costly. You need to actually buy computing time in order to use them and that costs a lot and you often have a long waiting list before you're allowed to run your own work on them. Also, only some universities have super computers so all other universities who don't, they either have to buy computing time (which costs a lot as said) or set up a distributed system running on, for example BOINC, and hope their project becomes big so they can harvest all the computing power donated and use it for their research, which in the end will benefit all humans.

All the research by GPUGRID scientists, is openly available to any user who might want to see what's going on and to what he's donating computing power. Especially in the case of GPUGRID, the scientists are very engaged with the project, submit enough tasks for us to crunch and answer quickly in case of problems. This combined with the papers they publish, is more than enough to motivate me personally to donate computing power to this project.

In the end, BOINC is all about volunteering... It was developed with that in mind, not for projects to donate money to its users. Some projects do go further and give you a certificate in case your computer discovers something. Just look at Einstein@Home which sends certificates to its users when they discover a new pulsar :)
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Message 28804 - Posted: 26 Feb 2013 | 19:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 28802.

Basically I don't think about an monetary donation. I thought of something like a used graphicscard (like a gtx 460) you don't need anymore which you could offer to a client (like me for instance) or an old quadcore CPU for builing a new system wich will participate in your project.

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Message 28825 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 0:57:29 UTC - in response to Message 28802.

I can understand what you're saying and if you feel exploited then just leave the project


Callous man, he can't leave. Can't you see he has the BOINC equivalent of battered wife syndrome. Yeah, BVS... battered volunteer syndrome.

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Message 28827 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 1:22:30 UTC

I am flabbergasted by this series of posts. There is so much I want to say but I will just bite my tongue.
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Message 28828 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 1:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 28827.

It's probably better to just say it, you wouldn't want to regret not saying anything.

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Message 28829 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 3:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 28827.

I am flabbergasted by this series of posts. There is so much I want to say but I will just bite my tongue.


I think I know how you feel. We probably all feel it. The horror of BVS is real and we must find the courage to speak out against it and support victims like poor Strebsi.

Strebsi you poor thing I want you to know that you are loved. At this very moment we are holding a candlelight vigil just for you. We're wearing our ribbons too because you know ribbons are like totally awesome magic, they help in so many ways. And you are in our prayers. We pray for an intervention and a healing and we pray that somehow you can find the courage to open BOINC manager, highlight GPUgrid and click Remove.

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Message 28832 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 7:37:20 UTC

you don't know about BITCOIN do you? If you want to earn money crunching you are better off going there and leaving BOINC. However it is unlikely you will break even on the electricity cost, and basically all the crunching you are doing is going to be a waste searching for "Bitcoins" which I still don't understand what those actually are.
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Message 28835 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 14:07:33 UTC

Thank you for all these comments. Am I cancelled for GPU-Grid? because I don't get any new Project to compute? Alright I calm down....

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Message 28836 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013 | 15:32:10 UTC - in response to Message 28835.

Thank you for all these comments. Am I cancelled for GPU-Grid? because I don't get any new Project to compute? Alright I calm down....


No you're not. We currently have a shortage of tasks
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