I just started running a couple of the new GTX 580's here, they haven't finished any Wu's yet though. The Wu's that are finished already on that Host are from a couple GTX 460's that were in the Box.

Their EVGA GTX 580 Black Ops Editions with a Stock Clocking of 1.088 Volt's, 797 Core, 1594 Shader & 2025 Memory. I have them running now @ 1.088 Volt's, 875 Core, 1750 Shader & 2150 Memory.

I could go higher with a Voltage Tweak but they run Hot enough already @ 80c-88c with about a 70%-75% Fan Speed on AUTO. I don't want to up the Voltage or the Fan Speeds so if they finish the Wu's at those clock speeds that's fine with me.

Their in a i7 920 Box that's clocked to 3.80GHZ on Air, Enermax 850 85+ PSU... :)

It's great to have someone crunching with the new top GPU here so soon!
A piece of advice: You should dedicate one CPU core to each GPU (using the SWAN_SYNC=0 environmental setting) to achieve maximum performance of the GTX580s. Right now your GTX580s are performing a litte less than my overclocked GTX480s. Note that their temperatures will rise if you apply the settings I've suggested, and maybe you have to raise the fan speed to keep the GPUs stable.

I tried them but didn't like what I was seeing, my CPU Temps jumped by 10c-13c so that's a no no. I turned HT back off but am still running the SWAN_SYNC=0 to see what happens. Looks like each GPU is using 12%-25% of a CPU Core when it needs to that way ...

Run the GPU's at reference frequencies (stock), and keep the fans high.

I tried them but didn't like what I was seeing, my CPU Temps jumped by 10c-13c so that's a no no. I turned HT back off but am still running the SWAN_SYNC=0 to see what happens. Looks like each GPU is using 12%-25% of a CPU Core when it needs to that way ...

Okay, I'll try some of the ideas out when I bring the 580 back over here to GPU Grid, right now I'm running the PrimeGrid Sieve Wu's with it ...

Hello -

I am new here with GPUGRID.net. I just finished my first WU via the 580. Run time 9176 sec. I am not sure how good that is or not. The card is an EVGA SC. I have it clocked at 797/1594 currently but the card runs stable at 900 MHz stock voltage with a bit warmer temp.

I just finished my first WU via the 580. Run time 9176 sec. I am not sure how good that is or not.

I just finished my first WU via the 580. Run time 9176 sec. I am not sure how good that is or not.

This is good. If you want maximum performance, you should dedicate one CPU core to feed the GPU. Use the SWAN_SYNC=0 environmental setting to achieve this. (control panel -> system -> advanced tab -> environment variables -> new (system variables) -> variable name: SWAN_SYNC value: 0 -> restart windows)

This is the fastest result ever seen on GPUGRID 3.9 ms/step on the DHFR workunit:
http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=3326415

However, it should be able to get to 3.3 ms/step (just guessing, as we don't have any GTX580 yet). Maybe, boosting the priority as suggested.

gdf

3.614 ms/step

It's happened overnight, so I couldn't watch the GPU usage.

<core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
# Using device 0
# There are 2 devices supporting CUDA
# Device 0: "GeForce GTX 580"
# Clock rate: 1.70 GHz
# Total amount of global memory: 1610153984 bytes
# Number of multiprocessors: 16
# Number of cores: 128
# Device 1: "GeForce GTX 480"
# Clock rate: 1.40 GHz
# Total amount of global memory: 1610285056 bytes
# Number of multiprocessors: 15
# Number of cores: 120
SWAN: Using synchronization method 0
MDIO ERROR: cannot open file "restart.coor"
# Time per step (avg over 2000000 steps): 3.614 ms
# Approximate elapsed time for entire WU: 7227.063 s
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

I've made a little calculation:
I've rised the GPU's clock 6.25% (1.7GHz/1.6GHz=1.0625)
The average time/step went down 3.55% (3.614ms/3.747ms=0.9645) in other words the processing is 3.68% faster (3.747ms/3.614ms=1.0368)
So these numbers are showing that other components really limiting the processing speed (as I supposed it before). If they weren't limiting it, the average time/step should be now 3.527ms (=1.6GHz/1.7GHz*3.747ms).
Taking the acceleration lost in account, to achieve 12% performance boost to reach 3.3ms/step, the GPU have to be overclocked 20.4% (6.25/3.68*12=20.38) (1.9264GHz shader and 963.2MHz core frequency) or more (because the other limiting factors could be higher at higher GPU clocks). I won't try this while I don't have some huge GPU cooler on my GTX 580. (In January I'll have)
But I have a faster CPU in my other PC, so I could swap the GPUs, or the CPUs, to find out how much help a faster CPU is. But to shut down both of my PCs at the same time for an hour (or longer), is a really hard thing to do.

I've removed my PC from it's case in order to make a new ventilator inlet at the bottom (the lower GPU cooler could not breath in enough air, because it's right next to the bottom of the case). The temps vent down of course, so I've raised the GTX580's clock to 900MHz. It has failed a couple of tasks, so I've raised the GPU's voltage by 13mV (to 1.063V). It's seems to be ok since then. It's completed a _KASHIF_HIVPR_n1_unbound_ task in 2 hours (7.203 ms/step). The max temp was 65°C at 95% GPU usage. (standard GTX580 cooler @78% plus a 12cm cooler placed right to the top of the two cards) I hope I'll receive a GIANNI_DHFR task soon.

I've set a new world record in crunching GIANNI_DHFRs: 3.441ms/step

<core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
# Using device 0
# There are 2 devices supporting CUDA
# Device 0: "GeForce GTX 580"
# Clock rate: 1.80 GHz
# Total amount of global memory: 1610153984 bytes
# Number of multiprocessors: 16
# Number of cores: 128
# Device 1: "GeForce GTX 480"
# Clock rate: 1.60 GHz
# Total amount of global memory: 1610285056 bytes
# Number of multiprocessors: 15
# Number of cores: 120
SWAN: Using synchronization method 0
MDIO ERROR: cannot open file "restart.coor"
# Time per step (avg over 2000000 steps): 3.441 ms
# Approximate elapsed time for entire WU: 6882.250 s
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

I think my CPU is also part of this success. I'm using a C2Q 9650 @ 4.25GHz (it's running at this speed at standard CPU voltage)
BOINC reports the Measured floating point speed 4438.87 million ops/sec
Some WUs failing on this GTX 580 @ 900MHz, so I think I will lower the GPU clock in the future.

Records are made to be Broken at any Cost ... lol

EVGA has a 2-slot water cooled 580 out, street price in Akihabara, Tokyo is 70,000yen or over $700, a ¥20,000/$200 premium.

FYI, courtesy of google translation:

Water-cooled GeForce GTX card debut for models 580, EVGA's "GeForce GTX 580 FTW Hydro Copper 2 (015-P3-1589-KR)" was released.

　In addition to standard have been overclocked, it also features one slot is a card thickness. Street price is around 70,000 yen (see " new products this week found "for details.)

　This product is a liquid cooling system as standard GeForce GTX 580 Video Card. Are covered by a copper cooling head chrome plating across the board, PCI Express x16 connector on the other side of the fitting are also provided.

　Best of all, the point has been slimmed down one slot from the normal models for two-slot card thickness. Despite having to take a water cooling system is introduced, and likely choice for those who want to save expansion slot space.

　The main specifications, the installed memory GDDR5 1,536 MB, the core clock is 850MHz, shader 1,700 MHz, Memoridetareto 4,196 MHz (typically core 772MHz, shader 1,544 MHz, the memory 4,008 MHz), equipped with video terminals and Mini HDMI DVI ( group 2), card size is 111.15 × 266.7mm. The external power supply terminal is equipped with one group for each 6-pin and 8-pin type like normal models.


□ GeForce GTX 580 FTW Hydro Copper 2 (EVGA)

I just installed a new GTX 580 and ran a task to see how it performs.

Any idea why this task took so long? I have a second in progress now, and it looks like it will take the same amount of time. GPU load is ~98%. SWAN_SYNC=0. I have preferences set so that BOINC is using only 7 of 8 CPU cores. What am I doing wrong?

One thing that sticks out is the difference between the value for "Run time", and the value for "Approximate elapsed time for entire WU". What could cause those two values to be so different?

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=3522674

Run time 62752.374998 (17 hours)
CPU time 62631.21
SWAN: Using synchronization method 0
# Time per step (avg over 575000 steps): 21.622 ms
# Approximate elapsed time for entire WU: 27027.548 s (7.5 hours)

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Hi zombie67, that is FAR too slow for a GTX580. Something is very wrong!

Check your available RAM and HDD usage, just in case.

Right click on the desktop, click NVidia control panel, Manage 3D settings, Global Settings, Power management mode, Prefer Maximum Performance. Restart the system.

If you are running some very CPU intensive apps consider freeing another CPU thread; some CPU tasks want more CPU time than they can get, so in Boinc check the difference between CPU time and elapsed time, in case you are running some very hungry CPU tasks.

Did you install the driver after the card and then do a restart?

I still think the card is throttling back.

The CPU time/ Run Time is consistant with the use of swan_sync=0 - this is fine.

Although your second task was faster 16ms per step, this is still wellshort of what it should be; a similar task on one of my GTX470's takes about 14ms per step at ref speeds, and I have seen 12ms per step for a GTX580 on Win7 (which is slower).

What monitoring/tuning software tools are you using? I have a generic GTX570 and use

MSI Afterburner for overclocking and fan speed control

TechPowerUp GPU-Z for all data: clocks, V,W,A loads, temp, bios/driver version, etc.

nVidia control panel - to set max. performance, multi-monitors, etc.

Using GPU-Z all looks well for my GTX570, everything ID'd properly, GPU chip GF110, Rev. A1, Release date Dec 07, 2010, Bios ver. 70.10.17.00.03, Shaders 480 unified, bandwidth 152Gb, driver version 8.17.12.6309 (Forceware 263.09) Win7 64, etc... How about you, any evidence of problems? Primitive Bios, broken memory/shaders/ROP's recognized, half-speed core/memory/shader clocks? PCIE 2.0x16 @x16 2.0? Proper voltages (maybe the card/external 6+2 12V power plugs only LOOKS like they are making proper contact and the rated current/Amp from the PSU just isn't getting there for full operation? total guesswork here) FWIW, my 570 is pulling about 33A and 31W @57C temp with the fan near 3,000rpm at 70%.

Looking at your last two tasks, it seems the time dropped by more than half... 62,000 to 27,000 ... is it fixed, what was the issue/solution? But those timesteps look more like my GTX460 than the GTX570 at 13-16,000

Keep on this, your card should do way better than 27,000 timestep, that is like 1/2 of what it should be, and I am curious the issue. I know in my case it would be something careless like forgetting to plug in the necessary PCIE power cables.

I now suspect the PSU. I have a new one on order, and will give it another shot when it arrives. Stay tuned.
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Reno, NV
Team: SETI.USA

Did you check the GPU temps, as kts suggested? You may need to up the fan speed.
These GPUs throttle back if they are running too hot or if they are overclocked too much, but still report the clock speed as configured (rather than actual speed). If the PSU was insufficient the card might do something similar, reduce speed or disable some shaders.

The speeds are stock and the fans on auto. Temps are 68-70c.
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Reno, NV
Team: SETI.USA

We've discussed PSU, overheating, throttling, optimizing driver, RAM, CPU usage, etc. You say the card works fine(like a working GTX580 should) on other projects but not here... total speculation, but could the access pattern of GPUGRID be finding bad video RAM causing Error Correction that just doesn't happen with other projects? What benchmark/testing tools are there to verify whether a video card is operating properly in hardware? If not hardware, then software? What is the proper troubleshooting sequence for a video card?

We've discussed PSU, overheating, throttling, optimizing driver, RAM, CPU usage, etc. You say the card works fine(like a working GTX580 should) on other projects but not here... total speculation, but could the access pattern of GPUGRID be finding bad video RAM causing Error Correction that just doesn't happen with other projects? What benchmark/testing tools are there to verify whether a video card is operating properly in hardware? If not hardware, then software? What is the proper troubleshooting sequence for a video card?

Ah! Looks like I was on the right track with the PSU.

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=3534780

Normal for a GTX 580, right?

My old 750w PSU has 3x 6pin pcie connectors. The 580 needs a 6pin and an 8pin. So I had to use a Y connector which takes 2 6pins and makes an 8pin. I tried switching the three of them around with no change. I had a new thought tonight. With all my 5870s, they each included a Y connector to convert two old IDE plugs to a 6pin PCI plug. So a double Y from several IDE cables into the Y 8pin connector seems to be working! The PCI rails in my PSU are dead. Looking forward to my new PSU to make this cable mess clean. The point is, it's the PSU, and the PCI rails FAIL.
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Team: SETI.USA

Ah! Looks like I was on the right track with the PSU.

http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=3534780

Normal for a GTX 580, right

My old 750w PSU has 3x 6pin pcie connectors. The 580 needs a 6pin and an 8pin. So I had to use a Y connector which takes 2 6pins and makes an 8pin.

I tried switching the three of them around with no change. I had a new thought tonight. With all my 5870s, they each included a Y connector to convert two old IDE plugs to a 6pin PCI plug. So a double Y from several IDE cables into the Y 8pin connector seems to be working!

The PCI rails in my PSU are dead. Looking forward to my new PSU to make this cable mess clean. The point is, it's the PSU, and the PCI rails FAIL.

Right. My point was to demonstrate that the PCI rails were the problem, by using different rails. Proof of concept. I agree that the various Y methods are wrong.
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Reno, NV
Team: SETI.USA

Glad to hear you tracked down the issue for your card and all is well now.

My old 750w PSU has 3x 6pin pcie connectors. The 580 needs a 6pin and an 8pin. So I had to use a Y connector which takes 2 6pins and makes an 8pin.

This could be a dangerous way, if your PSU has separate 12V rails and you connect them together with this Y cable connector converter.
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It's not recommended to use cable converters for power connectors (especially for high current power connectors like the PCI-E or CPU), those add an unnecessary contact resistance in a way of high currents causing voltage loss and hot (even burning) connectors.
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By the way 750W should be enough for a GTX 580.

I had to put a new power supply in my system when I got the GTX570. That thing will take a LOT of amps just by itself when you load it up. I dont remember the numbers but I think mine was asking for 190 Watts from 0 to full processor loading on the card. If I am not mistaken the card recommends a 550 watt supply at the very minimum. Now don't forget any other stuff you have in your system, RAMdisk, multiple HDD's, a lot of ram, a 6 core processor??? all that stuff EATS power quickly.

I put a 1KW supply in my computer and it keeps everything running fine, AFTER I burnt my earlier 600 watt supply up.

Don't be cheap with your PS, if the thing cooks off, you could get a shot of your mains power straight up your cards backside before the fuse blows. Although it would look awesome, a GTX is a fairly expensive paperweight. Power supply manufacturers may claim that can never happen but I have a hard drive with chips blown off the board to prove otherwise.

Aaron

It looks like my hunch was wrong. New 1000w PSU, and still no joy. I am down to thinking that the card is throttling itself. According to anandtech:

Much like GDDR5 EDC complicated memory overclocking, power throttling would complicate overall video card overclocking, particularly since there’s currently no way to tell when throttling kicks in. On AMD cards the clock drop is immediate, but on NVIDIA’s cards the drivers continue to report the card operating at full voltage and clocks. We suspect NVIDIA is using a NOP or HLT-like instruction here to keep the card from doing real work, but the result is that it’s completely invisible even to enthusiasts. At the moment it’s only possible to tell if it’s kicking in if an application’s performance is too low. It goes without saying that we’d like to have some way to tell if throttling is kicking in if NVIDIA fully utilizes this hardware.

Forgot to finish my thought in the previous post. I have RMA'd the card. Let's see if I have better luck with the replacement.
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Reno, NV
Team: SETI.USA

It looks like my hunch was wrong. New 1000w PSU, and still no joy. I am down to thinking that the card is throttling itself. According to anandtech:

Much like GDDR5 EDC complicated memory overclocking, power throttling would complicate overall video card overclocking, particularly since there’s currently no way to tell when throttling kicks in. On AMD cards the clock drop is immediate, but on NVIDIA’s cards the drivers continue to report the card operating at full voltage and clocks. We suspect NVIDIA is using a NOP or HLT-like instruction here to keep the card from doing real work, but the result is that it’s completely invisible even to enthusiasts. At the moment it’s only possible to tell if it’s kicking in if an application’s performance is too low. It goes without saying that we’d like to have some way to tell if throttling is kicking in if NVIDIA fully utilizes this hardware.

Maybe that is what's happening here.

I was not clear. I RMA'd the GPU, not the PSU. The new PSU is a 1000w coolermaster. And no, no screensaver is being used. Also, this is a dedicated cruncher. No other tasks are runing.
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Reno, NV
Team: SETI.USA