Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : GPUGRID and ATI
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level  Scientific publications  | |
How's the progress coming along? http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2778 | |
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Evil Penguin   Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level  Scientific publications  | |
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How's the progress coming along? | |
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Spatzthecat Send message Joined: 26 Nov 09 Posts: 27 Credit: 150,056,844 RAC: 0 Level  Scientific publications   | |
Sounds fishy. Somehow feels like a scam. Didn't expect this from medical boinc project. I think i will quit gpugrid and move to other projects untill they too start to try make money out of crunching power. Can you please clarify what you mean by "Sounds fishy" and "Somehow feels like a scam" | |
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Evil Penguin Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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It's to sponsor their project, not personal gain. | |
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Sounds fishy. Somehow feels like a scam. Didn't expect this from medical boinc project. I think i will quit gpugrid and move to other projects untill they too start to try make money out of crunching power. | |
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GDF, why don't you give away resources of people, who came here to crunch for science, to render commercial graphics? it will bring you even more money, and stable payouts | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
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yes the right url is | |
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Keeps telling me I'm using the wrong url even though I've tried the proper one 3 times ... | |
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HI Steve. We will add that this is using BOINC. The Project says: You don’t gain bitcoins in this project. was my 1'st point. Maybe the GPUGrid Project gets the BitCoins ??? but from what I read the Participants don't. Not that that bothers me as I don't have anything to do with BitCoins anyway, at least not at this time anyway ... ____________ STE\/E | |
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Evil Penguin Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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If I understand correctly this is just a testing phase to get the project started. | |
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HI Steve. We will add that this is using BOINC. | |
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For me the bitcoin network is an impressive idea. Read about it: But the Project it's self say's you won't be getting any Bitcoin's ... Also other than saying it gives BOINC Credits no where at or on the Site does anything indicate it's a BOINC Project, at least I couldn't find anything ... What is donate@home? ____________ STE\/E | |
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Evil Penguin Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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I'll give it a try. | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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For me the bitcoin network is an impressive idea. Read about it: | |
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Evil Penguin Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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It's a nice idea, but I'd rather donate my GPU resources in a more "scientific" way through GPUGRID. | |
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You've been serious about this, haven't you? ;) | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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If you have an ATI card please attach to this satellite project of gpugrid. | |
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Cite from another thread: GDF wrote: If all goes well, there are good chances that we will be able to provide a new AMD application very soon for all type of cards which are supporting OpenCL, not only GCN. We are already testing now. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
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Or Timo from POEM since he got the application running with OpenCL. | |
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[P3D] Crashtest Send message Joined: 9 Nov 09 Posts: 3 Credit: 11,700 RAC: 0 Level  Scientific publications | |
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Big Question at the Projectteam here: | |
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SMTB1963  Send message Joined: 27 Jun 10 Posts: 35 Credit: 142,831,243 RAC: 0 Level  Scientific publications  | |
I do not intend to spend countless €s on new state-of-the-art GPU hardware every year just to be able to run your project! Christopher, there are plenty of low cost options for running GPUGRID if you really want to. I recently bought a b-stock GTX275 SC from EVGA for < $150 shipped. Damn thing gets ~100K/day as long as my network's not futzing out. I've seen GTX260s on e-bay for as little as $40, and they're good for 45-50K/day (maybe more). My point is that with a little looking, one doesn't have to spend much at all to volunteer here. But if you're just dead set on running AMD and nothing else, I'm afraid you're going to have to be a little more patient. Cheers! | |
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Dagorath Send message Joined: 16 Mar 11 Posts: 509 Credit: 179,005,236 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
A project that thinks its volunteers can afford high-priced high-end cards every year, is severely mistaken, has lost it and obviously is living in a dream world! You are the one living in a dream world. They don't think volunteers can afford expensive cards every year. The reason they will not support the current crop of AMD GPUs is because they cannot get their algorithm to work well on it. It does *not* matter how many other projects have their code running on AMD, the only thing that matters is the fact that the GPUgrid code does not run well on current AMDs. Maybe with more time and effort it could be done but the developers have made it clear they have invested all the time and effort they can. You have to get used to the idea that project admins are not born to serve us and cater to our demands to make their project run on our hardware and no amount of whining and bellyaching from you is going to change that. Accept it like an adult and move on. I do not intend to spend countless €s on new state-of-the-art GPU hardware every year just to be able to run your project! You don't have infinite amounts of money and they don't have infinite amounts of time. Yet you expect them to spend countless hours developing for your hardware! That isn't the way the world works. Successful people know when it's time to stop flogging a dead horse and move on. As far as GPUgrid computations are concerned, your AMD is a dead horse and it isn't going to run no matter how hard you/they flog it. It's time to bury the horse and move on to something productive. And btw regarding that there has allegedly not been enough time to take care of this matter earlier: was the new website REALLY that important for the project or the science? The old one did it for me personally quite well IMHO. The old website and server sucked. This one is much better and the time they invested in that was well spent. Sorry, this becomes frustrating and unnerving! Every new post in here makes one think: "Oooh, now there is good news!" and the news just go from bad to worse! Awwwwww! I'm so sad for you. Maybe in the future the developers should just say nothing about anything they try just so you won't be disappointed? Do you promise to then say nothing concerning the fact the developers say nothing? Have a nice Christmas though and I hope Santa is putting a thousand brand new, top model AMD Radeon HD 7990 under your Christmas trees even before release date, or however the enthusiast card will be named then! ;) Merry Christmas. I hope Santa brings you one too. Ban me, if you must, for I am beginning to not care anymore! Do you think we care that you don't care? The only one you seem to care about is you. You don't care about what the devs have tried to do and why it won't work. Why should anybody care about you not caring? | |
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Retvari Zoltan Send message Joined: 20 Jan 09 Posts: 1771 Credit: 9,462,611,069 RAC: 4,461,654 Level  Scientific publications | |
I have two fairly newish AMD Radeon HD 6990/ATI Radeon HD 5970 cards here, that of course do well on other projects, but will supposedly not here... If you want to contribute to this project so badly, should't you have bought a couple of not so high end nVidia cards (GTX 470, 570) instead? A project that thinks its volunteers can afford high-priced high-end cards every year, is severely mistaken, has lost it and obviously is living in a dream world! You are obviously mistaken. You have a card like that, but from the wrong vendor. Why not simply making the prerequisite of a working quantum computer, if you want to sort out only wealthy gals and guys? I do not intend to spend countless €s on new state-of-the-art GPU hardware every year just to be able to run your project! Your frustration speaking. I guess you would be equally frustrated from a ridiculously performing AMD client. You can use well your AMD cards elsewhere, so there is no loss from scientific point of view. And btw regarding that there has allegedly not been enough time to take care of this matter earlier: was the new website REALLY that important for the project or the science? The old one did it for me personally quite well IMHO. This is a selfish point of view. Maybe the old server software and website didn't do so well for the project. Sorry, this becomes frustrating and unnerving! Every new post in here makes one think: "Oooh, now there is good news!" and the news just go from bad to worse! See this post. Ban me, if you must, for I am beginning to not care anymore! AMD should be banned for making their customers believe that their GPUs can do everything that nVidia GPUs can. However they will catch up with their new GCN architecture. | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Hi, | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester  Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level  Scientific publications  | |
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I'm far from disappointed or frustrated; I was holding onto an HD5850 in the hope I could use it here, but now that POEM has launched an AMD GPU app, I am delighted I can use it there on a Bio-science project, somewhat similar to this project. Even if GPUGrid launched the AMD app, I don't think I would want to use it here - well not if it would only contribute 1/8th the performance of a comparable NVidia GPU, and we are talking about a 2088GFlops GPU performing like a GT240, and not if the performance at POEM is 4 or 5 times better. Performance is very much down to the research requirements, and GPUGrid does some of the most complex GPU research anywhere. | |
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Christopher Herr Send message Joined: 1 Apr 10 Posts: 13 Credit: 106,905,353 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Well, if this should or will indeed be the final verdict here, then this will be it for me! If that is all, you were able to conclude in around two years, then this is disappointing and poor! | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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We never tested on VLIW4. Yet, I would expect marginal improvements compared to VLIW5. It's not just a problem of VLIWX, there are many more problems in those cards for compute. | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level Scientific publications | |
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Probably doesn't mean definitely. So no GCN for 7800 series, fair enough. That changes the picture, for me. In Jan there would only be two very expensive GCN cards. Don't know how worth while it would be supporting a project with say ten 7900 GPU's attached? | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
GDF made the decision that GPUGrid will only try to use GCN based AMD GPU's due to the relatively poor performance of existing AMD models (up to and including the 6000 series), and presumably logistical reasons. Basically, this will limit any GPUGrid app to the high and probably mid range 7000 series AMD GPU's; Radeon HD 7970, 7950, 7990 and probably 7870 and 7850. I doubt if the intermediate 7770 and 7750 GPU's would be usable (depends on performance/GCN). Obviously testing can't happen until the GPU's have been released and the researchers have a GPU to test. STEVE pointed out the high costs, 'over $500 for the 7970'. Good point, there might not be a massive demand for an AMD app. I suspect cards might trickle out in pairs rather than all get released at once and the 7990 is not due until March. You're wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_graphics_processing_units#Southern_Islands_.28HD_7xxx.29_series The only cards that will support GCN will be 79x0. Just like 69x0 were the only ones from the 6xxx series that supported VLIW4. From my point of view, if poem did it, if folding did it, if wcg (most probably) did it, why couldn't gpugrid not do it? I would have preferred to have a low gpu utilization just like over at folding, instead of not heaving any app. The guys from SETI faced the same problem, but they bypassed by running two applications simultaneously. I actually would have wanted a low utilization since I would have let the app running non-stop while also doing other stuff on the computer. All I can say is ...¡Feliz Navidad! and see you in 1 year+, when the new fusion series is release which, hopefully, will have GCN on it. | |
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HI, | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level Scientific publications | |
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GDF made the decision that GPUGrid will only try to use GCN based AMD GPU's due to the relatively poor performance of existing AMD models (up to and including the 6000 series), and presumably logistical reasons. Basically, this will limit any GPUGrid app to the high and probably mid range 7000 series AMD GPU's; Radeon HD 7970, 7950, 7990 and probably 7870 and 7850. I doubt if the intermediate 7770 and 7750 GPU's would be usable (depends on performance/GCN). Obviously testing can't happen until the GPU's have been released and the researchers have a GPU to test. STEVE pointed out the high costs, 'over $500 for the 7970'. Good point, there might not be a massive demand for an AMD app. I suspect cards might trickle out in pairs rather than all get released at once and the 7990 is not due until March. | |
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Expect to pay over $500 for the 7970, at least right at first anyway ... | |
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POEM did it, and you ? | |
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robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Apr 09 Posts: 387 Credit: 80,446,746 RAC: 375,083 Level  Scientific publications | |
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I'm about to look up the HD 7970 and check if it fits my rather tight power limit requirements, or if I need to wait for a later board in that series that does. | |
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I wait also windows app. :-) | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
if you like to "fold" some aminoacids/proteins with your GPU, you now can try POEM@Home and their new open CL app. I'm still waiting for the windows version and the gpu version of hcc over at wcg. The system requirements on this project are too high. I'm out. | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
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I'm still hoping to get some wu's for my AMD-Cards ... | |
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if you like to "fold" some aminoacids/proteins with your GPU, you now can try POEM@Home and their new open CL app. | |
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Norman_RKN Send message Joined: 22 Dec 09 Posts: 16 Credit: 23,522,575 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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maybe opencl can open a door and could be easier to handle within a timescale ?? | |
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oldDirty Send message Joined: 17 Jan 09 Posts: 22 Credit: 3,569,857 RAC: 186 Level  Scientific publications | |
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GCN is now 1D Shader or like some say 16D? :confused | |
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2662 Credit: 609,139,149 RAC: 929,233 Level Scientific publications | |
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As well as VLIW5, I take it? | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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We simply have not resources to take on the debugging on all VLIW4 AMD cards. The present and the future is GCN. Then, if it happens a miracle and the stability of VLIW4 is good, then we can also release for that. But again, running gpugrid on VLIW4 cards is very inefficient. | |
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2662 Credit: 609,139,149 RAC: 929,233 Level Scientific publications | |
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Performance of alpha versions has been pretty lacking compared to what's possible on nVidia hardware. Folding@Home is facing a similar problem. The current ATIs are hard to utilize effciently. GCN is changing this, it should be approximately equal to Fermi in terms of flexibility. If any ATI can be useful here it's GCN. | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
We don't know yet, but we will start testing on GCN cards and initially support those. I am expecting enough problems already with a single compiler generation. If this is the best answer after 2 years of waiting, to support an architecture that it's not even out yet, then ... good luck with all that | |
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We don't know yet, but we will start testing on GCN cards and initially support those. I am expecting enough problems already with a single compiler generation. | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
HI, In an older post you said that the amd app should support OpenCL 1.0, meaning 4xxx series and up. Are you trying to say that the 2 previous architectures will be abandoned? | |
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Skip Da Shu Send message Joined: 13 Jul 09 Posts: 38 Credit: 41,955,165 RAC: 0 Level  Scientific publications | |
ROFLMAO... Excellent point!Oh, wait, this IS software development! Just not at work. ;-) LOL ____________ - da shu @ HeliOS, "A child's exposure to technology should never be predicated on an ability to afford it." | |
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Oh, wait, this IS software development! Just not at work. ;-) LOL Not your work :D MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Skip Da Shu Send message Joined: 13 Jul 09 Posts: 38 Credit: 41,955,165 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
For people outside research it's sometimes difficult to imagine how it works... [beamed Kirk & Scotty out of quote] ...there's always something unexpected crossing your way. The question is just how severe that is and how much effort it takes to get around it. Personally I wouldn't dare committing to a release date for a highly experimental piece of software. Well, one could release a half baked alpha in time.. but that wouldn't please people either. Hmmm, This sounds a lot like software development at work. Oh, wait, this IS software development! Just not at work. ;-) LOL ____________ - da shu @ HeliOS, "A child's exposure to technology should never be predicated on an ability to afford it." | |
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Seems like things have calmed down again, but I'll add some more cents anyway: My Genealogy software did exactly that, they gave a hoped for release date and then caught holy he!! for missing it. They came on and gave the reasons for the delay and it did not help!! They now say it will be relased when it is ready and not before, they still catch some flak but not nearly as much!! | |
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2662 Credit: 609,139,149 RAC: 929,233 Level Scientific publications | |
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Seems like things have calmed down again, but I'll add some more cents anyway: Kirk: Scotty, how much time do you need? and there's always something unexpected crossing your way. The question is just how severe that is and how much effort it takes to get around it. Personally I wouldn't dare committing to a release date for a highly experimental piece of software. Well, one could release a half baked alpha in time.. but that wouldn't please people either. And people tend to be impatient and tend to hear what they want to hear. So "we hope to get an alpha out by x" quickly turns into "Woow, there'll be an app by x!". Which is quite different.. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Christopher Herr Send message Joined: 1 Apr 10 Posts: 13 Credit: 106,905,353 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
Either give your volunteers a definitive date when there will be an app, and I mean definitive, or a definitive statement 'There will never be an ATI/AMD OpenCL app for the following reasons'! But please not this "sitting between two chairs" any longer! No, SMTB1963, I am not joking, but I have not 'demanded' anything as well. I said 'please' as you see in the second phrase of your quoted text of mine. :) Yes, you are right, we are the volunteers, but we are also the volunteers! :) We support science and the scientists more or less personally with volunteering a lot of money for hardware and power. In some cases this munificence makes the science possible in the first place, and I think this is one of these cases. I do not see myself as a 'Megacruncher', if that is a part of my statement that should have been misunderstood. But I know a lot of guys in my team and elsewhere, that could be interested in unleashing a lot of power AMD-wise (and CUDA-wise) on this project. And it is my point of view that all volunteers deserve to be kept up to date on the progress of such undertakings on a regular basis by an official. With this kind of answer of GDF and others: We would like to get some alpha app for ati/amd out by the end of the year. However, we don't know if it will good enough to go in production. The update of the server has required a very large amount of work so far. I am satisfied, because it contains all the official information I waited for. First, there is an app in alpha development status, second, it could (and perhaps will) be buggy, third, the reasons that hindered the progress... Thank you to all officials and I look forward to help (alpha- or beta-)testing the app and will continue waiting with fingers crossed. Please continue keeping us up to date whenever you can find the time! Cheers and sorry again, if my chose of words in English was misunderstanding, as I am German and not a native speaker! ____________ | |
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We would like to get some alpha app for ati/amd out by the end of the year. However, we don't know if it will good enough to go in production. The update of the server has required a very large amount of work so far. | |
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SMTB1963 Send message Joined: 27 Jun 10 Posts: 35 Credit: 142,831,243 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
Either give your volunteers a definitive date when there will be an app, and I mean definitive, or a definitive statement 'There will never be an ATI/AMD OpenCL app for the following reasons'! But please not this "sitting between two chairs" any longer! Please tell me you're joking. I'm not trying to start an argument here, but I really hope that you - a VOLUNTEER - are not making demands of the GPUGRID scientists & staff. They have limited resources, and we as volunteers are here to support them, not the other way around. Look, if you've got some AMD cards lying around, I can appreciate you wanting to put them to work on this project. But IMO we should all remember our role as volunteers. The AMD app will get here when it gets here. Or not. Getting in a twist and griping because your expectations aren't being met is counter-productive. Maybe I've misinterpreted your post...if so, I apologize in advance. Cheers! | |
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There is an app, and it will be beta tested when the scientists are in the position to do so, and have the time. The scientists built, tested (as well as previous unusable apps) and reported what they observed in this thread. Server upgrades and site improvements are presently being tested/developed. These are required for the project as a whole, and to facilitate the introduction and maintenance of an AMD app. When these are finished and implemented the scientists can then begin work on preparing to release an AMD Beta app. | |
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Christopher Herr Send message Joined: 1 Apr 10 Posts: 13 Credit: 106,905,353 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Right, TomaszPawel, 'this calls for immediate discussion', this seems to be all that is happening on the ATI/AMD front... | |
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TomaszPawel Send message Joined: 18 Aug 08 Posts: 121 Credit: 59,836,411 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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What can I say after two years of waiting to be able to count on ATI ... | |
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me wrote: 20% at best .. that's for a full Cypress (24/20), which the HD5850 is not ;) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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You lost me at 20% faster per clock and 24/18 is 33%... | |
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No, that 20% comes from the fact that Cayman has 24 shader clusters compared 20 in a full Cypress. On the HD5850 2 of them are deactivated. That's where the first factor 24/18 comes from ;) | |
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We agree that it's worth testing, and would be a worthwhile project.
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Definitely worth it. For many GPU-Grid would be the first worthwhile project to run on AMDs :) | |
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Cayman may only be 20% faster than a 5850 per clock, but there are some monsters compared to a humble 5850. For example, you beast cuts through MW tasks in around a minute, while an HD5850 takes about three times as long. I'm not saying AMD's will be great, but some people might want to use their AMD GPU here. | |
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[CSF] Olivier Verly Send message Joined: 9 Sep 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 24,688,559 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Yes I think that the performance gap between AMD and Nvidia should be large enough. | |
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AMDs current VLIW architecture is much harder to utilize efficiently than nVidias scalar shaders. That's likely why they've got these problems at F@H and why they're not yet rocking GPU-Grid. Sure, software is also a very important piece of the puzzle.. and AMDs compiler has a harder job keeping these execution units fed. But it's not always possible to work around fundamently architecture limitation by software - so it's not only about software maturity and "trying hard enough". | |
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It's hard to compare performances between different projects, especially Boinc to non-Boinc. However I would still expect a high end AMD GPU (HD6900) to significantly outperform a high end CPU (i7-2600), which is not the case at folding. | |
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[CSF] Olivier Verly Send message Joined: 9 Sep 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 24,688,559 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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I am also interested by the future support for ATI / AMD, but I hope it will be stable and the performance will be a good level ? | |
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I have two AMD GPUs I would love to use on this project! I hope you can get it out soon! | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
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Any news on the AMD application? | |
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We are waiting to have time... We are submitting 2 new papers and two new applications for grants. | |
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What you waiting for? Maybe for the app being ready for public alpha testing? MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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gpu load is around 85% Ok. Now is 1.10.2011. What you waiting for? | |
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gpu load is around 85% More like next month. gdf | |
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...it's time to burn some fusion chips The current Fursions are HD6000 series, so they should work :) (don't expect performance miracles, though) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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gpu load is around 85% any rough estimate for alpha testing?...like next week? :) | |
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gpu load is around 85% | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
opencl 1.1 and jut single precision required. ...it's time to burn some fusion chips From my point of view, it doesn't matter if the gpu load is going to be 20-25%, I think my laptops are going to handle it | |
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opencl 1.1 and jut single precision required. | |
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The new amd app will require OpenCL 1.1 and double precision cards? The nVidia code doesn't require dp, so there's no reason why the ATI code would. Can't tell you the OpenCL version, though. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Is it possible to update the server for OpenCL without the *new credit* code? | |
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The new amd app will require OpenCL 1.1 and double precision cards? | |
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We are practically ready with the app alone. We have to test it on the context of boinc now. | |
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It is also four times cheaper. And *only* consumes half the power.. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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It is also four times cheaper. LOL! Excellent point! ____________ - da shu @ HeliOS, "A child's exposure to technology should never be predicated on an ability to afford it." | |
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It is also four times cheaper. | |
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H5850 is about 4 times slower than the top card a gtx580. | |
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... Performance could be better... Could you please specify this? | |
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People have been waiting for over 2 years for an AMD application. Some of us are willing to test even nightly builds asap. | |
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We have a more or less advanced stage application for AMD. Performance could be better, but at least it seems to run stably in a local machine. We might have a release of an alpha-app in the next couple of months. | |
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there's a bug in the latest sdk that makes a full use of a cpu-core whenever an opencl app is running. | |
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11.7 has amd app sdk 2.5 Is it any good or not? What makes heavy use of the CPU? | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
11.7 has amd app sdk 2.5 Is it any good or not? In the meantime 11.8 is released. Makes heavy use of the CPU as well. | |
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we will be looking again at AMD only after the summer and will post comments here. | |
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11.7 has amd app sdk 2.5 Is it any good or not? | |
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On ATI development, I don't hold up much hope for the immediate future, The quality of any OpenCL implementation is simply poor so far. At every new version one bug is fixed and two new appear. For us, it was just a big loss of time, but we will be here for AMD when they are ready. On language, My advice is to post in English if you can. If your English is not great, post in your preferred language as well; a bad English translation is unlikely to get a response, but if you also use your preferred language someone will probably be able to speak it or make a better translation. You can use Google Translate, to get a reasonable translation. Using simplified language helps. I have no objections to a few friendly words in any language, but if anyone is going to ramble on use the Personal Messaging facility. If you see a post in a language you don't understand, it's probably small talk, otherwise they would probably have posted in English. | |
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Christopher Herr Send message Joined: 1 Apr 10 Posts: 13 Credit: 106,905,353 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Hello everyone, | |
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TomaszPawel Send message Joined: 18 Aug 08 Posts: 121 Credit: 59,836,411 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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Nie wartościuje punktów ani projektów. Każdy projekt jest wartościowy, każde punkty cieszą. Liczę sobie tutaj, liczę sobie tam - dobrze się bawię i pozdrawiam wszystkich :D | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level Scientific publications | |
Yeeee, sure :P Ale dlaczego? Czy uważasz, że punkty PrimeGrid są ważniejsze niż punkty GPUGRID? Chodź tutaj. en. But why? Do you think that the PrimeGrid points are more important than GPUGRID points? Come here. | |
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Yeeee, sure :P | |
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SDK 2.4 was released a few days ago. | |
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The quality of any OpenCL implementation is simply poor so far. At every new version one bug is fixed and two new appear. For us, it was just a big loss of time, but we will be here for AMD when they are ready. | |
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I have running DNETC on 5870 and ist runninmg fine. I chaned yesterday tu 11.3 and it is a little quicker. | |
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GDF said before that it's crashing a lot. I don't know anything else, though. | |
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Stanford just released their OpenCL client for ATi (OpenCL 1.1, so only Radeon HD5xxx and 6xxx cards, older cards are being abandoned by that project), based on their opensource toolkit OpenMM. They seems to be happy with SDK 2.3, and a lot more for the speed improvements in 2.4 (in beta/RC now, with the latest 11.3/11.4 drivers). | |
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Oh, will check back here in 6 months and see then... | |
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It's now the middle of February and nothing? Myself included, I am going to upgrade back to an nvidia GPU soon, but still would like to beta test an ATI app | |
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That is good news. I hope it goes well. | |
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That's sad to hear. :( | |
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Given the expected ETA's of the next two APP SDK's and some knowledge of the researchers timetable, I don't expect another sustained attempt until around Aug. | |
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It's now the middle of February and nothing? | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level Scientific publications | |
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I cant find a future AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing SDK (APP SDK) , but my guess is SDK2.4 will be released in mid of April: | |
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If not then we will have to wait for SDK 2.4, and testing will basically start over again. When should the new SDK be available? | |
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GDF said that the problem was numerous bugs in the present SDK package. We know speed is not great but getting a working app is the main problem. Perhaps they will do better using Windows with the present SDK, but I am not holding up much hope. If not then we will have to wait for SDK 2.4, and testing will basically start over again. | |
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Yesterday Lunatics released their first ATI-OpenCL App for SETI (Multibeam). | |
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Evil Penguin Send message Joined: 15 Jan 10 Posts: 42 Credit: 18,255,462 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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So... Delayed until after SDK 2.4 is released? | |
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If one can accuse SK of being a fan then it would be a GPU-Grid fan ;) | |
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You have spent a lot of time crunching mathematical projects such as DNETC, PrimeGrid, and Collatz, but not so much for the more humanitarian projects. Do you put your Cypres to use at Folding@home? Perhaps you should have thought through your choice of GPU a bit better before purchasing it and limiting yourself to mathematical analyses. | |
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@skgiven: I apologize for my misinterpretational words. I wrote it "it looks like..." not "there is ...". | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
It’s easier to write simple apps and if ATI doesn’t adequately support the creation of more complex apps then its better to wait for the next SDK than to continue to debug and report endless errors, knowing that they will not be fixed until the next SDK, if at all. http://dnahome.cs.rpi.edu/dna/ This project is in an very early stage and I can not say for shure, that it is as complex as GPUGRID, I'm no scientist. And until now there is no GPU-app, but moderators say they plan to do that. Another thing: as far as I understood, OpenCL is a hardware independent programming language. Since GDF did some tests with an openCL app and it looks like he has an ready to go app (a lot of effort has been put it to get there with large structural changes), he could release that as an nVidia-app. This gives the possibility to test the app in the field und to compare speeds, at least again the cuda-app. This could also solve some problems with the apps for fermi only and non-fermi apps. MW did that; the openCL and the cuda-apps take exact the same time to complete (only a few seconds apart for a 17min task). Please do not misinterprete my words, I really don't want to bother anyone. Your efford to develop the project is appreciated. It's my interest for this project that leds me to encourage you to distribute an ATI-app, even if it is unstable. I will not post angry words. | |
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It’s easier to write simple apps and if ATI doesn’t adequately support the creation of more complex apps then its better to wait for the next SDK than to continue to debug and report endless errors, knowing that they will not be fixed until the next SDK, if at all. | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
MW, Collatz and Einstein dont run molecular dynamic simulations, their apps are more simplistic and very different. Yes of course, you are right. But one word to MW/Collatz: both projects have Cuda and ATI apps. They are simpler for both types, nVidia AND Ati, but both apps are faster on ATI and use much less power also. So don't let the ATI-apps die! | |
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We have done our bit, it's just them that have to produce a working SDK. We have filed so many bug reports in the process. | |
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Looks like a real fan-boy speaking... I expect you came to that conclusion by reading one post. Is ATI only a mathematical GPU??? You answered yourself, Akatosh: Einstein@Home By the way: Why not using external support? there are excellent examples in the history of grid-computing Funds and expert ATI OpenCL programmers familiar with molecular dynamics don’t grow on trees. Might have been an excellent example if it came with a link, but I doubt it; MW, Collatz and Einstein dont run molecular dynamic simulations, their apps are more simplistic and very different. | |
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I’m not in the least surprised to hear that ATI support is insufficient, and I seriously doubt the merits of perusing an ATI application suitable to the complexities of this projects research. [..] Some projects have spent over a year trying to test and develop ATI apps only to find it is impossible/worthless. Looks like a real fan-boy speaking... Is ATI only a mathematical GPU??? By the way: Why not using external support? there are excellent examples in the history of grid-computing: Akatosh: Einstein@Home ClusterPhysik(Gipsel): Milkyway/Collatz | |
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to let the AMD-app die, is not a good choice! | |
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I’m not in the least surprised to hear that ATI support is insufficient, and I seriously doubt the merits of perusing an ATI application suitable to the complexities of this projects research. I suggest you concentrate on CUDA for the foreseeable future; I know of several aspects to the present CUDA apps that could do with your attention (I spoke too soon, being addressed here). If an ATI app is not going to happen, put it to rest and let it be. Some projects have spent over a year trying to test and develop ATI apps only to find it is impossible/worthless. | |
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SDK2.3 is still unstable unfortunately. I am getting a bit tired of this level of software support from ATI. could you please share the problems you found with the community? I think that many of us would like to read something about the problems you are finding and how you're tackling them. May I also say that maybe some problems rely on your side? I'm reading many positive comments about SDK 2.2 and 2.3... Surely a lot of work is still required for optimization, but an app should be working by now! | |
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SDK2.3 is still unstable unfortunately. I am getting a bit tired of this level of software support from ATI. | |
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There has been continuous speculation as to when ATI cards would be facilitated by this project. While another SDK has been released and the programmers might be working on this or at least planning to, it would be wise to accept that so far there have been lots of disappointments and false dawns. I don’t want to get anyone’s hope up on the ATI front because of this, but I also understand some of the hardware requirements might not be in place to support such an addition to the project. Also note that if ATI cards are supported at some stage, the initial phase of their introduction would be bumpy with lots of testing, problems and periods of inactivity. So don’t think someone can just flick a switch and suddenly GPUGrid will support ATI cards. | |
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SDK 2.3 is out, some news about AMD app? | |
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Boudicca, ATI cards do not presently work on this project (GPUGrid), hence the message, "No usable GPU's found". | |
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then again to V8.8 when I installed what they call, "Catalyst Control". Is that the only graphic card in your PC or is there also an on-board card? AMD (unlike nVidia) needs a monitor plugged in (or a dummy-plug) to be detected by BOINC. | |
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excuse me if this has already been answered. Or if I should know better. But, i need a bit of help here. | |
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Anny news for beta for ATi cards ? | |
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So the beta for ATi cards is expected some time within January? | |
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Boinc Projects are going to want to facilitate Open-CL: | |
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I especially like the new feature "asynchronous dispatch". It lets different apps be executed on the GPU at the same time. Fermi only allows different kernels from the same app. This could help with GPU utilisation, if the problem is using more Multiprocessors, or if the GPU is not used all the time. And it could make crunching GPUs more responsive, which is always welcome. Might even help with the CPU support / synchronization issues we're seeing at GPU-Grid now. By that I mean the CPU is not acting fast enough to keep the GPU busy - which would be much easier if the GPU was working on 2 WUs concurrently and with half a step phase difference. That way there'd be a rather large buffer or time window until the next CPU support would be required. WOW, that feature alone is peaking my interest in GPU coding. I imagine this a result of AMD's Fusion direction. More reading to do... M. | |
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I especially like the new feature "asynchronous dispatch". It lets different apps be executed on the GPU at the same time. Fermi only allows different kernels from the same app. This could help with GPU utilisation, if the problem is using more Multiprocessors, or if the GPU is not used all the time. And it could make crunching GPUs more responsive, which is always welcome. Might even help with the CPU support / synchronization issues we're seeing at GPU-Grid now. By that I mean the CPU is not acting fast enough to keep the GPU busy - which would be much easier if the GPU was working on 2 WUs concurrently and with half a step phase difference. That way there'd be a rather large buffer or time window until the next CPU support would be required. | |
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http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/12/14/look-amds-new-cayman6900-architecture/ | |
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Yeah SDK 2.3 has been released. | |
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Looks like 10.2 turned up yesterday (13th Dec). | |
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SDK2.3 is in the new Driver Pack 10.12 | |
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well....hmmm..it's out :) It's out? developer.amd.com has still 2.2 ready for download. Anyway, maybe we get a christmas present ... | |
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well....hmmm..it's out :) | |
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ATI's roadmap suggests they will release SDK2.3 this month. | |
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If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application. Hi, I am still waiting. Can I hope to get the bata in this year? woever | |
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We are waiting for SDK2.3. | |
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There are no tasks for ATI cards, and as far as I am aware no immediate plans to use ATI cards. | |
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I have accept Beta work and it comes no Work | |
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yea you kinda got that right.... Jack is the Main admin on the DD@H and the Developer of Hydrogen.... | |
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Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know who Jack is. | |
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but on jack computer it runs on the ati card... | |
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I guess it was running on the CPU instead? | |
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hello, me again!!!! | |
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yes, i'm sure it's running on the 2600 xt... it's my computer... I know, i'm not the developer, if he made it compatible with older cards, then so be it, progress.... you should be congratulating us instead of criticizing it... ati may only support 4300 and up but we know the true reason for that.... ( They want to MAKE MONEY ON THE CARDS!!!!!) but the truth it is opencl is compatible with the 2600 xt, my card running it proves it... We know that our research, will take sometime... that's why we've been wanting to go to gpu apps as they are much faster than the single cpu... and well have cuda to go along with ati. | |
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yes, i'm sure it's running on the 2600 xt... it's my computer... If you go here, https://simtk.org/project/xml/downloads.xml?group_id=161 it will redirect to amd gpu page, which has support for opencl only gor 4xxx and up. On the 2600 card, is it going to take around 20h for the WU described? | |
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Looks like they are just testing, and have no work at the minute. | |
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yes, i'm sure it's running on the 2600 xt... it's my computer... | |
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I'm pleased to announce that www.boinc.Drugdiscovery@home.com now has a working beta of a ati_opencl of MDRUN, it has been tested on a 5700 ati, a 2600 xt, as well the developers computer. Are you sure opencl is running on 2600? How long are the WUs on the 2600? | |
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I'm pleased to announce that www.boinc.Drugdiscovery@home.com now has a working beta of a ati_opencl of MDRUN, it has been tested on a 5700 ati, a 2600 xt, as well the developers computer. | |
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For me, SWAN_SYNC increases GPU usage from 62% or so to 67% (Win 7 64 bit) The problem is Windows 7. Xp and Linux give the best performance. gdf | |
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For me, SWAN_SYNC increases GPU usage from 62% or so to 67% (Win 7 64 bit) | |
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If you set the environment variable SWAN_SYNC=0, in most tasks the use is around 97% in GTX480 in GPUGRID. A command line parameter? I'm not very skilled in programming. More hardware. (Old fashioned tubes(!)/transistor/mosFET/(Amstrad CPC128, first PC, BASIC & CPM1.1)(Nice) But one is never too old to learn :) Where do I put this? BOINC (Program)dir? ____________  Knight Who Says Ni N! | |
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If you set the environment variable SWAN_SYNC=0, in most tasks the use is around 97% in GTX480 in GPUGRID. Some month back, a few people from the Lunatics Crew, made several app.'s | |
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Some month back, a few people from the Lunatics Crew, made several app.'s | |
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/me 2 | |
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Also, we want to see what's new in the 69xx series... | |
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it should be before the end of the year I guess. | |
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Have AMD given any kind of Indicative timeframe for 2.3? They'll never give a date, thats for sure, but they do at times give a vague Q1/Q2 etc kind of response. | |
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The 2.2 SDK is still a bit too ropey. We're deferring any public app until 2.3 is available. | |
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what's up? Sit back, relax and don't expect anything too soon. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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what's up? | |
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I dont know of any reason to require double precision for here, so only single precision would be required. Agreed. Otherwise almost none of the nVidias would work here, or would have trouble keeping up with CPUs :p MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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I dont know of any reason to require double precision for here, so only single precision would be required. | |
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Sorry for asking again, but are you going to reguire single or double precision for ATI client? | |
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An idea on how to produce a GPUGRID version for the AMD/ATI HD4nnn family, once you get suitable software support: | |
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Good News :) | |
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Yes, the level of stability is still not sufficient for the use in GPUGRID. | |
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Any progres? | |
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For those interested in protein research: Poem@Home is starting testing of GPU versions of their program, for both Nvidia and ATI cards. Name is POEM++; current version is 0.01. Poem@Home currently only has POEM++ CPU clients out. Once they are convinced that these are stable they will start rolling out the GPU clients. Current estimate is that this will happen in a month or so. | |
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From skgiven: I think Folding just does protein folding, so it is different to this project; GPUGrid is unique in that it looks at super-structures (complexes of large molecules, such as lipid bylayer spanning pore proteins). Folding is more akin to Foldit in its research. For those interested in protein research: Poem@Home is starting testing of GPU versions of their program, for both Nvidia and ATI cards. Name is POEM++; current version is 0.01. | |
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From Paladin*: PS: As a side note Subscribing to a Thread is Pointless for me as I never receive a Notice by E-Mail even though I have my Preferences set to do so ... ??? Some of the ISPs in Germany are using a rather obsolete list of which other ISPs to block email access to - for example, it includes mine, whose outsourced newsgroups server USED to be a common posting point for newsgroups spam. In the years since then, it brought the newsgroups server in house with a newsgroups person more active in controlling spam, then was acquired by another ISP and dropped newsgroups entirely. You may want to check if whatever ISP you have your email account on is on one of those obsolete lists. | |
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Performance of a top ati card however is 3 times slower than a fermi at the moment but at least it runs. Yay! I'll take it, back to basics. First make something work, then fine tune the process. At any rate my 5870 will accept beta work units, if/when some are issued. It's been crunching a long time now, and curious about GPUgrid. M. | |
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Gosh, I came back to see if there was something new in here, but that wasn't the case :) | |
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Thanks for the info. | |
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I think the researchers are down to a skeleton team during the summer holidays Yep! Can't be wearing the white coats every day of the year... MJH | |
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I think the researchers are down to a skeleton team during the summer holidays; enough staff to keep the tasks flowing, but little or no development work gets done. | |
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ATI 2.2 fixes most serious bugs and we will probably put out a test application for ATI. The performance is still poor for several reasons. ATI on one side and us on the other, will work to make it faster. Most likely, SDK 2.3 could be a better release performance wise, now that bugs are under controls. I have a 5870..do you still plan on doing a beta release the end of summer or is it sooner? | |
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ATI 2.2 fixes most serious bugs and we will probably put out a test application for ATI. I've set my mainsys (with two ATI-cards) to accept GPUGRID wu's. If something more to do is required, I expect instructions somwhere. Regards, Alexander | |
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ATI 2.2 fixes most serious bugs and we will probably put out a test application for ATI. The performance is still poor for several reasons. ATI on one side and us on the other, will work to make it faster. Most likely, SDK 2.3 could be a better release performance wise, now that bugs are under controls. | |
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Thank you for the update. | |
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Perhaps the scientists will have another look at ATI cards in September or October, but they have a lot to do; optimize the GTX460, and forthcoming GTX475, try to get working apps for the GTS450, GTS445 and GTS440 (due out on the 12th), as well as the GF108 cards, also due out soon. | |
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Does this mean that the new SDK is available and testing of the ATI-apps is going on? | |
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GPU-Grid doesn't need DP and this is hopefully not going to change anytime soon. At least one important difference between the 4000 and 5000 series is flexibility in memory management, if I understood correctly. | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
Why? 5xxx series has OpenCL 1.1 support. If you can get the 57xx series to work, at least you aren't going for DP :) . | |
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GPUGRID Role account Send message Joined: 15 Feb 07 Posts: 134 Credit: 1,349,535,983 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
Why? The design of the R700 processor used in the 4xxx series cards prevents the complete implementation of some features of OpenCL that are of critical importance for our application. (It's yesterday's technology, sorry!) MJH | |
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Beyond Send message Joined: 23 Nov 08 Posts: 1072 Credit: 4,240,425,529 RAC: 4,620,972 Level  Scientific publications | |
[quote] Why? The 4850, 4870, 4890 & 4770 are generally faster than the 57xx and support DP to boot. The 57xx does not. | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
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MJH Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 12 Nov 07 Posts: 696 Credit: 27,266,655 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
The 58x0 is what we work with here. A 57x0 app may follow, probably, if all goes well and they prove to be fast enough. Lower 5xxx series cards will definitely be too slow to be useful. And the 4xxx is right out. MJH | |
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2662 Credit: 609,139,149 RAC: 929,233 Level Scientific publications | |
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@MJH: may I ask why? To keep things as simple as possible initially or is there any important technical difference for GPU-Grid between e.g. HD58x0 and HD57x0? Are these apps producing wrong results? That's not the point (and is probably not the case). For GPU-Grid the problem is that using the current SDK the app is not stable. And if I understand correctly the problems have been traced down to API calls (functionality provided by ATI), so it's up to them to fix it. MrS (*) the code of CC and MW is not very complex, but certainly not trivial either ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Hi, | |
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skgiven Volunteer moderator Project tester Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Apr 09 Posts: 3965 Credit: 1,741,794,514 RAC: 1,035,917 Level Scientific publications | |
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I dont think double precision is on the cards (it is not needed now), but that does not mean that a 5770 would not work. If ATI GPUs do eventually work here, that card should be a good one. | |
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lkiller123 Send message Joined: 24 Dec 09 Posts: 22 Credit: 15,875,809 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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If there will ever be an ATi support for GPUGrid, will double precision be required for the card? In other words, will I be able to run GPUGrid on 5770s? | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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CAL is the old programming model. It is deprecated. If you have an old application it makes sense to use it still, for a new one, it's better to wait for OpenCL. Hi, | |
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Werkstatt Send message Joined: 23 May 09 Posts: 116 Credit: 116,362,998 RAC: 90,183 Level Scientific publications | |
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cristipurdel Send message Joined: 31 Mar 10 Posts: 45 Credit: 8,409,494 RAC: 171,049 Level Scientific publications | |
We are waiting for ATI to fix their compiler and libraries. From this post http://oscarbg.blogspot.com/2010/07/ati-stream-sdk-roadmap.html are you going to send some beta test in aug? | |
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Thank-you for the update. Good to read where developement is at and moving along... | |
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1891 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications | |
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We are waiting for ATI to fix their compiler and libraries. There is no much we can do. Some new tests are in progress these days. | |
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Is this a possible way of cutting corners to getting something to work for ATI GPU's? http://www.fixstars.com/en/solutions/opencl/compiler.html | |
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2662 Credit: 609,139,149 RAC: 929,233 Level Scientific publications | |
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Rest assured that if there is no update, it's not there yet ;) | |
