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Message 13411 - Posted: 8 Nov 2009 | 18:22:10 UTC

If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application.

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Message 13414 - Posted: 8 Nov 2009 | 19:13:49 UTC - in response to Message 13411.

..... Done. Looking forward to some WUs.

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Message 13415 - Posted: 8 Nov 2009 | 19:59:25 UTC

I'll try a few too ...

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Message 13416 - Posted: 8 Nov 2009 | 21:05:09 UTC - in response to Message 13411.

If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application.

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what about a 2600 xt?

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Message 13421 - Posted: 9 Nov 2009 | 10:33:19 UTC

Well i've got 1 machine with a HD4850.
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Message 13423 - Posted: 9 Nov 2009 | 12:04:57 UTC - in response to Message 13421.

It could be fine as well.
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Message 13424 - Posted: 9 Nov 2009 | 14:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 13423.
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It could be fine as well.
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k, project added to ati gpu computer..

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Message 13434 - Posted: 9 Nov 2009 | 22:59:28 UTC

no, only 4000 series and up will run opencl. nvidia 8 series and higher will too.

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Message 13435 - Posted: 9 Nov 2009 | 23:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 13434.
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hi,
AMD does not want us to distribute any DLL at the moment, so you must install it yourself. Sorry about that.
YOU NEED:
1) ATI-opencl-beta driver
2) ATI-opencl-sdk stream SDK
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The minimum card is a Radeon 4850. Below this one shared memory is emulated so it is terribly slow.

WU submitted will be very short just for us to get some data.

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Message 13438 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 2:22:19 UTC - in response to Message 13435.
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The minimum card is a Radeon 4850. Below this one shared memory is emulated so it is terribly slow.

As OpenCL requires the shared memory (local address space in OpenCL) to offer general read write access, only the HD5000 line will natively support this. At least that is the official information. Actually it is a bit strange as the HD4000 shared memory supports different addressing modes and should be usable in several scenarios without the need to emulate it with (slow) global memory (DX11 Compute allows the use of shared memory also with SM4.1 GPUs like the HD4000 series for example).

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Message 13439 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 4:35:14 UTC - in response to Message 13435.

hi,
AMD does not want us to distribute any DLL at the moment, so you must install it yourself. Sorry about that.
YOU NEED:
1) ATI-opencl-beta driver
2) ATI-opencl-sdk stream SDK
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The minimum card is a Radeon 4850. Below this one shared memory is emulated so it is terribly slow.

WU submitted will be very short just for us to get some data.

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You have to have an AMD account to download those.
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Message 13440 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 4:57:40 UTC

I am getting:

No work sent
Your computer has no Nvidia GPU

(obviously)

This is with BOINC 6.10.18
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Message 13442 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 8:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 13440.

Yes,
you need to create an account, but it is very quick.

We will only create a Windows application for now. Workunits will come in today.

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Message 13443 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 10:19:12 UTC - in response to Message 13439.

I'm a bit confused, if I install these BETA Driver Files with the Installer which are different than the ATI Drivers I already have installed can I still run Collatz or Milkyway with the Drivers. ???








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Message 13444 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 10:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 13443.

I have no idea. The driver should not affect it as it is newer, however the only way is to try. If you don't want to stop production for beta work don't change it.

You also need a new client: 6.10.17

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Message 13445 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 10:57:49 UTC - in response to Message 13444.

There are 5 workunits out to be grabbed.
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Message 13447 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 11:33:24 UTC
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Do we really need to install the 2) ATI-opencl-sdk stream SDK as it's just a Developer ???

11/10/2009 6:50:08 AM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
11/10/2009 6:50:08 AM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for CPU and GPU
11/10/2009 6:50:13 AM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/10/2009 6:50:13 AM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
11/10/2009 6:50:13 AM GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU
11/10/2009 6:50:44 AM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
11/10/2009 6:50:44 AM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for GPU
11/10/2009 6:50:49 AM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/10/2009 6:50:49 AM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent

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Message 13448 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 12:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 13445.

I attached a system with an ATI HD4850 to GPUGRID. Boinv Version 6.10.18.
I registered with AMD, downloaded and installed the OpenCL_Beta and OpenCL_sdk programs and restarted.
I did not pick up any GPUGRID Beta tasks.
Boinc keeps saying no NVIDIA GPU's.
The phrase, all work and no play makes Johny a dull boy, springs to mind!

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Message 13449 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 12:33:34 UTC

SKG, I wouldn't expect a lot of work to begin with, their just feeling the ATI Cards out is all I think ...

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Message 13450 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 12:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 13443.

I'm a bit confused, if I install these BETA Driver Files with the Installer which are different than the ATI Drivers I already have installed can I still run Collatz or Milkyway with the Drivers. ???

On Vista and Win7 yes, with WinXP Collatz will run. MW will likely still be influenced by the same WinXP driver issue introduced half a year ago (but not tested).

The problem is that it is still in beta stage (and expires sometimes in january). The OpenCL compatibility should be integrated to the normal driver release hopefully with Cat 9.12 or 10.1.

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Message 13451 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 12:57:19 UTC
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I'm running the Collatz Wu's on my i7 with Win XP 64-bit & the New Beta Drivers, they were released 10-8-09 (CAT 9.11 & CAL Version 1.4.467) CAT 9.10 is CAL Version 1.4.368 ... Haven't received any Wu's yet though for the 5870 Cards in the Box.

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Message 13452 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 14:08:06 UTC - in response to Message 13451.
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Drivers and SDK are required.
I am checking on the scheduler log why they are not sent.


Are you accepting beta work?

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Message 13455 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 14:36:58 UTC - in response to Message 13452.

We managed to try on a 4850 and shared memory is still emulated, so the card seems to be quite slow.

It is likely that the only cards where ATI put a good hardware support for shared memory are the new 5000 cards.

Still trying to solve problems with the scheduler which does not want to send out wus with plan class ati14...

009-11-09 19:44:47.4798 [PID=13546] [send] effective_ncpus 4 max_jobs_on_host_cpu 4 max_jobs_on_host 4
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4798 [PID=13546] [send] effective_ngpus 0 max_jobs_on_host_gpu 0
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4798 [PID=13546] [send] Not using matchmaker scheduling; Not using EDF sim
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4798 [PID=13546] [send] CPU: req 0.00 sec, 0.00 instances; est delay 0.00
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4798 [PID=13546] [send] ATI: req 240887.55 sec, 0.00 instances; est delay 0.00
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4799 [PID=13546] [send] work_req_seconds: 0.00 secs
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4799 [PID=13546] [send] available disk 4.80 GB, work_buf_min 0
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4799 [PID=13546] [send] active_frac 0.999912 on_frac 0.998079 DCF 8.012970
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4799 [PID=13546] [send] [HOST#XXXXXX] is reliable
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4800 [PID=13546] [send] set_trust: random choice for error rate 0.000010: yes
2009-11-09 19:44:47.4800 [PID=13546] [send] don't need more work

I have asked Anderson what don't need more work means...
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Message 13456 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 14:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 13452.

Drivers and SDK are required.
I am checking on the scheduler log why they are not sent.


Are you accepting beta work?

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Yes I'm accepting BETA Work from GPU Grid, I have the the Drivers & SDK both installed too on THIS BOX ...

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Message 13459 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 20:16:18 UTC - in response to Message 13456.
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I have performed a server update to see if things change.
Can you ask/receive for work?
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Message 13460 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 20:26:00 UTC

I can ask for work but don't get any work:

11/10/2009 3:24:16 PM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
11/10/2009 3:24:16 PM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for CPU and GPU
11/10/2009 3:24:21 PM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/10/2009 3:24:21 PM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
11/10/2009 3:24:21 PM GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU

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Message 13461 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 21:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 13460.

humm, one host got one task now.

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Message 13462 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 22:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 13460.

You must be logged in to download tools from AMD Developer Central
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Message 13464 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 22:25:33 UTC - in response to Message 13462.
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I know it is annoying to log on, but it is quick at least.

For now, it is like this. It is not a problem in the sense that we are just testing, but of course it cannot go on for long.

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Message 13465 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 22:26:21 UTC - in response to Message 13464.

TO: poorboy

Anderson just fixed the server. Recompiling now.

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Message 13466 - Posted: 10 Nov 2009 | 23:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 13461.

humm, one host got one task now.

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I had to stop Collatz to get the 4 GPUGrid Wu's to run but they only ran about 2 Seconds before Erring out. They also locked up the System for a little while after erring out but it cleared itself and started running again without re-booting ...

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Message 13468 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 0:23:06 UTC

4870x2, got both packages from ATI as instructed!

Sample demo kits provided by ATI were running with no problems!

http://www.gpugrid.net/workunit.php?wuid=930617

Myself and my wingman are erroring!

Good jump start up anyway! I'd really like to come back here after a year of absence after frying my GTX 280 here! :)

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Message 13475 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 8:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 13468.

So, at least the server now works.
We are looking into it for the application.

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Message 13476 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 8:35:56 UTC - in response to Message 13475.

We have tested on Windows XP and Windows Vista. Where are you running?

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Message 13479 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 10:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 13476.

We have tested on Windows XP and Windows Vista. Where are you running?

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windows 7.

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Message 13480 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 10:15:25 UTC

I'm running Windows XP Pro SP2 64-Bit, It's the only System I running on my Pharm so I have no other System to Test on ...

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Message 13481 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 10:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 13480.

I'm running Windows XP Pro SP2 64-Bit, It's the only System I running on my Pharm so I have no other System to Test on ...


Looks like only one wingman made it through and validated, whoever that is!

http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=56045

http://www.gpugrid.net/workunit.php?wuid=930617

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Message 13483 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 10:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 13481.

He has XP32 which is what we have tested.
Maybe there is a problem for 64bit.

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Message 13484 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 11:13:22 UTC - in response to Message 13483.

the 32bit app crashed on my 64bit Win7 too....

Could you build a 64bit Windows App (because 32bit Windows is "dying") or ask Gipsel, he could do this ...

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Message 13486 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 12:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 13483.

He has XP32 which is what we have tested.
Maybe there is a problem for 64bit.

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Why would a 64-Bit OS be a problem if the Video Cards is doing the Work ??? Or does the CPU share duties with the Video Card running the ATI Wu's ???

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Message 13488 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 13:50:11 UTC - in response to Message 13486.

He has XP32 which is what we have tested.
Maybe there is a problem for 64bit.

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Why would a 64-Bit OS be a problem if the Video Cards is doing the Work ??? Or does the CPU share duties with the Video Card running the ATI Wu's ???

The 32bit application is linked against the 32bit libraries and the 32bit opencl.dll. And you can't install the 32bit OpenCL SDK on a 64bit system, so I think the 32bit version of this dll is simply missing. I hope they will fix it when it gets a normal part of the graphics driver (the 64bit driver contains 32bit as well as 64 bit version of the CAL libraries for example).

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Message 13489 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 14:30:10 UTC
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It seems to be working with my XP64 machine, with a 4870.

http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=55930

Edit: The two tasks returned so far validated okay. But just FYI, this is showing in the sdterr out:

MDIO ERROR: cannot open file "restart.coor"
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Message 13490 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 15:28:30 UTC - in response to Message 13489.

But just FYI, this is showing in the sdterr out:

MDIO ERROR: cannot open file "restart.coor"

I think it just means that there was no checkpoint found.

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Message 13491 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 16:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 13490.

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what sdk/driver did you install the 32 bit or the 64 bit.

I am going to send out other 10 WUs to try again. No changes on the application.

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Message 13492 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 16:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 13488.

He has XP32 which is what we have tested.
Maybe there is a problem for 64bit.

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Why would a 64-Bit OS be a problem if the Video Cards is doing the Work ??? Or does the CPU share duties with the Video Card running the ATI Wu's ???

The 32bit application is linked against the 32bit libraries and the 32bit opencl.dll. And you can't install the 32bit OpenCL SDK on a 64bit system, so I think the 32bit version of this dll is simply missing. I hope they will fix it when it gets a normal part of the graphics driver (the 64bit driver contains 32bit as well as 64 bit version of the CAL libraries for example).


my windows 7 is 32 bit!

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Message 13494 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 17:31:43 UTC - in response to Message 13491.
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zombie:
what sdk/driver did you install the 32 bit or the 64 bit.

I am going to send out other 10 WUs to try again. No changes on the application.

gdf



The SDK is 64 bit. I can't tell from the Driver name if it is 32 or 64.

The site is currently down, so I can't double check.

Why? Did it not crunch properly?

Edit: FYI, two more tasks completed and validated. 4 of 4 now.
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Message 13497 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 18:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 13411.

If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application.
In editing GPUGRID preferences, there is twice Use Central Processing Unit (CPU).
It's a bit confising at least.

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Message 13499 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 19:25:16 UTC - in response to Message 13497.

More WUs out.
PoorBoy. Can you try to reinstall the SDK?
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Message 13500 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 19:35:10 UTC - in response to Message 13499.
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More WUs out.
PoorBoy. Can you try to reinstall the SDK?
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I just noticed I have 5 or 6 Wu's on my i7 Box that haven't run yet. All I have is the 64 Bit SDK but I'll reinstall it before running them ...

PS: All 6 Wu ran just a few Seconds & still gave a Computation Error ... HERE

I uninstalled the 64-bit SDK Version and installed the 32-Bit SDK Version, if I get some more Wu's I'll try them with the 32-Bit SDK Version ...

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Message 13501 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 20:10:26 UTC

Hi,

I just set everything up (beta driver and SDK). After attaching to the project I got 2 tasks which both resulted in a VPU recover - hadn't seen one of these in quite a while :(

Link to my host (Radeon 4870 1GB Windows 7 x64)

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Message 13502 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 20:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 13501.

I get calc errors too :(

http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=40433

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Message 13503 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 23:35:52 UTC - in response to Message 13494.

Edit: FYI, two more tasks completed and validated. 4 of 4 now.


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Message 13504 - Posted: 11 Nov 2009 | 23:45:13 UTC
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Hi,
some info I forgot to include in my previous post.

The 2 WUs didn't crash right at start. They were running a few seconds (elapsed time was counting up) before the display became frozen. After about 10 seconds the driver was automatically reset (with notification in systray) and the tasks had errored out.

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Message 13505 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 0:29:17 UTC - in response to Message 13504.

Hi,
some info I forgot to include in my previous post.

The 2 WUs didn't crash right at start. They were running a few seconds (elapsed time was counting up) before the display became frozen. After about 10 seconds the driver was automatically reset (with notification in systray) and the tasks had errored out.


That's almost the exact same thing that happens when I try to run them on my 5870's & 64-Bit Windows OS ...

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Message 13506 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 0:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 13503.

Edit: FYI, two more tasks completed and validated. 4 of 4 now.


10 for 10 now. All valid and credit granted.


Quit Gloating ... :P ... ;)

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Message 13507 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 0:43:59 UTC

I'm 1/1 although 5 wingmen had 'error while computing- http://www.gpugrid.net/workunit.php?wuid=930617

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Message 13508 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 0:50:16 UTC

Could just be the 48xx Cards will run them & the 58xx Cards won't, I don't have a whole lot of success running the Milkyway Wu's either with my 5870 Cards. For that matter the last time I tried a week or so ago my 4870 Cards didn't have much success running the Milkyway Wu's either. Lot's of VPU errors across the Pharm trying to run them.

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Message 13510 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 6:44:31 UTC - in response to Message 13508.

I carely reinstalled the drivers and the SDK on this pc

http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=40433

The task starts few seconds,then freeze and then give the calc error, no driver errors.
I got AQUA running on the CPU.

My system is very stable with MW and Collatz,never got any error.

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Message 13511 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 6:50:22 UTC
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Hi, first of all, i have to say, that i'm happy about the progress of adding Ati to GPUGRID. I just read about it and did install all the stuff from the AMD-Homepage. But everytime i'm crunching get an error. Looking in the task shows this:

<core_client_version>6.10.18</core_client_version>
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SWAN OCL: FATAL : Error at ../swan/swanlib_ocl.cpp:145 : -11

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Maybe someone can tell me what to do to fix it?...

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Message 13516 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 13:51:05 UTC
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Ok, I'm in! I just received a 5850 yesterday, and managed to find another one yesterday--which I promptly ordered....it will be here early next week. ;)

So, help a flunky out here please. I DLed and installed:

ati-opencl-beta-driver-v2.0-beta4-vista-win7.zip (129MB)

It's showing in Device Manager as: Driver Version: 8.671.0.0 10/26/09...Is that correct?

I DLed ati-stream-sdk-v2.0-beta4-vista-win7-64.exe (59.3MB). When I double click it...it wants to unzip to: C\...\....\AppData\Local\Temp, so I let it go there....is that correct?

Also, the DLs are for Vista SP1....as far as I know, that rig is SP2....is that going to be a problem?

Very Happy about this....!!! ;)

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I detached and re-attached and it keeps saying "Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU". :(

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Detached again. Shutdown Boinc completely. Restarted it. Re-attached to GpuGrid, and this is the deal:


11/12/2009 8:58:28 AM Fetching configuration file from http://www.gpugrid.net/get_project_config.php
11/12/2009 8:58:43 AM GPUGRID Master file download succeeded
11/12/2009 8:58:48 AM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
11/12/2009 8:58:48 AM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for CPU and GPU
11/12/2009 8:58:53 AM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/12/2009 8:58:53 AM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
11/12/2009 8:58:53 AM GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU
11/12/2009 8:58:55 AM GPUGRID Started download of logops3grid.png
11/12/2009 8:58:55 AM GPUGRID Started download of project_1.png
11/12/2009 8:58:56 AM GPUGRID Finished download of logops3grid.png
11/12/2009 8:58:56 AM GPUGRID Started download of project_2.png
11/12/2009 8:58:57 AM GPUGRID Finished download of project_1.png
11/12/2009 8:58:57 AM GPUGRID Started download of project_3.png
11/12/2009 8:58:59 AM GPUGRID Finished download of project_2.png
11/12/2009 8:59:00 AM GPUGRID Finished download of project_3.png
11/12/2009 8:59:29 AM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
11/12/2009 8:59:29 AM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for GPU
11/12/2009 8:59:34 AM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/12/2009 8:59:34 AM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
11/12/2009 8:59:34 AM GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU
11/12/2009 9:00:09 AM GPUGRID Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
11/12/2009 9:00:09 AM GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for GPU
11/12/2009 9:00:14 AM GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/12/2009 9:00:14 AM GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
11/12/2009 9:00:14 AM GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU

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Message 13517 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 14:07:51 UTC - in response to Message 13516.


I DLed ati-stream-sdk-v2.0-beta4-vista-win7-64.exe (59.3MB). When I double click it...it wants to unzip to: C\...\....\AppData\Local\Temp, so I let it go there....is that correct?


It unzips two separate installers to the directory you specified (one file is the SDK the other one contains sample code).
After they're unzipped you still need to install the SDK from this directory (you probably can skip the samples).

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Message 13518 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 14:30:31 UTC - in response to Message 13517.

So far:
Any of the 4xxx cards proved to be very very slow. It is unlikely that we will support them due to lack of proper shared memory. For 5xxx, we still could not test because we don't have any, AMD does not send us any and the ones attached do not run at the moment.

We will see in the following days if we can get the performance of a 5xxx card.

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Message 13519 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 14:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 13518.
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I DLed ati-stream-sdk-v2.0-beta4-vista-win7-64.exe (59.3MB). When I double click it...it wants to unzip to: C\...\....\AppData\Local\Temp, so I let it go there....is that correct?


It unzips two separate installers to the directory you specified (one file is the SDK the other one contains sample code).
After they're unzipped you still need to install the SDK from this directory (you probably can skip the samples).



Ok, Thank You, but still the same thing. I installed both files from the temp directory and rebooted. Detached, shutdown boinc, re-attached....no dice. :(




So far:
Any of the 4xxx cards proved to be very very slow. It is unlikely that we will support them due to lack of proper shared memory. For 5xxx, we still could not test because we don't have any, AMD does not send us any and the ones attached do not run at the moment.

We will see in the following days if we can get the performance of a 5xxx card.

gdf



Well, these card(s) will be pounding collatz for now, but just let me know what You need. I've been with GpuGrid for quite a while....was hoping the ATI day would come! ;) I'll keep an eye on this thread, but feel free to send a PM or email...



Also wanted to give a personal Thanx! to Gispel! GpuGrid is a great project and I was hoping you would find your way here!!

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Message 13520 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 17:07:19 UTC - in response to Message 13519.

If OpenCL is a/the problem - dont use it - maybe this project could use CAL&Brook like the other projects too (Collatz, Milkyway)

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Message 13521 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 17:47:27 UTC

Just had 7 Error out on a Dual 4850 X2 Box ... :(

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Message 13522 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 18:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 13519.
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Also wanted to give a personal Thanx! to Gispel! GpuGrid is a great project and I was hoping you would find your way here!!

But I have nothing contributed here. The credit has to go to GDF and his team for porting the CUDA application to OpenCL.

Unfortunately the shared memory of the HD4000 line gets no support from OpenCL (so it is really slow, only HD5000 line is properly supported). I guess porting it to yet another platform may be a little bit too much effort to ask for. OpenCL and CUDA share a lot of similarities, so it is comparatively easy port. Other platforms have a slightly different philosophy, which would need a lot more effort to support.

I could imagine the project would really like to see the OpenCL environments from both ATI and nvidia to mature fast (and to show similar performance characteristics to the CUDA version in case of nvidia, i.e. not slower). If that is the case in let's say a few month from now, it may be beneficial to maintain only the OpenCL version which would be supported by all platforms (nvidia, ATI, CPUs, and possibly also Cell for PS3). But one has to see first how this whole OpenCL thing develops before declaring this as a goal.

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Message 13523 - Posted: 12 Nov 2009 | 18:22:57 UTC - in response to Message 13522.
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a nice hello for all here ;-)

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Message 13529 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 6:10:32 UTC - in response to Message 13522.

Also wanted to give a personal Thanx! to Gispel! GpuGrid is a great project and I was hoping you would find your way here!!

But I have nothing contributed here. The credit has to go to GDF and his team for porting the CUDA application to OpenCL.



Absolutely agreed. The GpuGrid team has always worked very diligently to get and keep this project up and running. I've seen a number of positive comments over time from folks coming from other projects. Over time issues are a given...it's how they are handled that makes all the difference....

Maybe I've misunderstood something, but my understanding is that you are 1 of the keys to getting ATI going on MW and Collatz....I don't claim to understand CUDA and CAL and OpenGL and all that...;) But if my understanding is correct (on MW and Collatz)....you've still got a lot to offer here on this advancement.

And, Yes, Many Thanx to GDF et al! This project started on the edge and does a great job of staying there. Much Respect for the continued advancement of this technology!

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Still just telling me that I don't have an Nvidia GPU :(

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Message 13531 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 9:29:03 UTC - in response to Message 13529.

Gipsel is welcome to help. In a sense is doing it already by writing on this forum. Unfortunately for us, he could not really help with the code as the code is accessed only by few people. Your experience on ATI and Nvidia will be very valuable for us.

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Message 13533 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 11:18:18 UTC - in response to Message 13520.
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If OpenCL is a/the problem - dont use it - maybe this project could use CAL&Brook like the other projects too (Collatz, Milkyway)


Unfortunately neither OpenCL, nor CAL/Brook+ have FFT libraries at the moment. Cuda does. The GPUgrid app uses FFT functions as does Seti and Einstein.

Gipsel feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know Collatz and Milkyway don't use FFT functions.

OpenCL offers the project code compatibility for the ATI and Nvidia cards, they just need to be compiled with the appropiate compiler. This is why the projects would like to move to using OpenCL.
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Message 13534 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 13:44:11 UTC - in response to Message 13533.

Is it possible to use a 3rd party FFT library?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpufft/

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Message 13538 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 17:35:01 UTC - in response to Message 13534.
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FFT will not be a problem at first.
We have implemented an alternative algorithm which will be fine to run several types of WUs and we still have Nvidia for the WUs which require FFT.

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Message 13539 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 18:16:02 UTC

Well, I just picked up a 3rd 5850 via HF/XFX combo deal. Shipping today. So, by this time next week I will have 3x 5850s in hand.

I'm ready....

Let's DO this....;)

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Message 13540 - Posted: 13 Nov 2009 | 20:22:47 UTC
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I'm ready too but have set mt Box to NNW for now, unless there's something new to try I can't see spitting out just error's & having the Box Hang as a result of them. I'll keep an eye on the Thread and if something new is going to be tried I'll try & grab a few ... :)

PS: As a side note Subscribing to a Thread is Pointless for me as I never receive a Notice by E-Mail even though I have my Preferences set to do so ... ???

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Message 13542 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 9:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 13540.
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So, we are waiting to receive a 5870 which we ordered and in meanwhile cleaning up the code. But I think that most likely the ATI SDK is the problem (maybe a new release will help). We will also test under windows7 from now on, so to make windows 7 the recommended OS.

thanks for testing. Something more in a week or so.
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Message 13543 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 11:59:21 UTC - in response to Message 13542.
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So, we are waiting to receive a 5870 which we ordered and in meanwhile cleaning up the code. But I think that most likely the ATI SDK is the problem (maybe a new release will help). We will also test under windows7 from now on, so to make windows 7 the recommended OS.

thanks for testing. Something more in a week or so.
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Sounds Good, GDF. I did have a question on the OS. I use mainly Vista x64, but I do currently have 2 rigs running Win7 RC. I'm not real happy with the win7 RC, maybe I just need to burn a new ISO, but whatever.

Do I need to try to find a cheap copy of Win7?

Also, some 5870s seem to have boot issues. Are you aware of this? If not, I'll try to relocate some links....

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Message 13544 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 12:25:51 UTC - in response to Message 13543.

No,
we know little about ATI cards and have never run Windows 7. Please provide all the links that we can.

The fact with Windows is that we practically don't use it, so it is quite long to test for different versions. Windows 7 is probably good for gaming and so for us as well.

I just went to the shop. We should have the 5870 by next week.

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Ok, I understand. I'll have 3 cards in hand next week. Still looking to pick up a 4th. Then a WCing solution! Running short on cash....So, which version of Win7: HP, Pro? Not really looking to spend for Ultimate unless absolutely necessary. Checking out the "Family packs"....

I'll post back with some links. Not sure how big of an issue it really is...number of complaints. I've not had any issues with the 1 card that I have....

BTW, it seems that the issue effects the 5xxx series generally, not just 1 or 2 cards...


Here's a couple quick links:

5850 Boot Problem

5850 long boot time

Google is full of them, but it may be a lot of the same folks looking for answers wherever they can find them, plus whatever the issue is may have already been resolved by ATI in the new stock.


Looks like it may just be a bios issue on some MBs....Asus being one of them. Mine is installed on an Asus P5E-VM HDMI and I've had no issues...

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Message 13546 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 12:55:55 UTC

Also, some 5870s seem to have boot issues. Are you aware of this? If not, I'll try to relocate some links


I'm running 10 5870's of 3 different Brands in 5 Box's under Windows XP Pro SP2 64-Bit without any Boot Problems. I have 3 in my lone i7 that Boots up way faster than it ever did with the NVIDIA GTX 200 Series Video Cards it had in it before.

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Message 13547 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 13:03:48 UTC

Sounds good, so we're 11 for 11 atm...

Would you care to list MB brands/ models?

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Message 13548 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 15:47:12 UTC

I have 15 Box's, all have Quad Cores in them 6600 - 6700 - 9450 Variity & 1 i7 920 ... All the Box's have Gigabyte DQ6's of Various Models as they came out DQ6 - X38 DQ6's - and a X58 Extreme for the i7 ...

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Message 13551 - Posted: 14 Nov 2009 | 17:03:15 UTC
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Ok, well, this particular person determined their issue to be how they plugged up their psu:

Post #51

So, that's something to keep in mind...

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Message 13565 - Posted: 15 Nov 2009 | 19:48:17 UTC - in response to Message 13538.

FFT will not be a problem at first.
We have implemented an alternative algorithm which will be fine to run several types of WUs and we still have Nvidia for the WUs which require FFT.

gdf

how much work in the WU's is fft's? they run quite fast from what i have seen on ATi cards, like video transcoding. it almost seems like their architecture is designed for signal processing rather than graphics. i saw an AMD slideshow that had an optimized fft running at 300 GFLOPs on a 4870. thats with LDS too.

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Message 13566 - Posted: 15 Nov 2009 | 20:07:50 UTC - in response to Message 13565.
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The ffts take something like 20% of the time, but they are many short FFTs.
I am not sure if there are FFTs libs for ATI which can run with the openCL environment. Maybe Gipsel can tell us something.

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Message 13574 - Posted: 16 Nov 2009 | 11:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 13566.

The ffts take something like 20% of the time, but they are many short FFTs.
I am not sure if there are FFTs libs for ATI which can run with the openCL environment. Maybe Gipsel can tell us something.

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maybe you could find something interesting going on here
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=102635

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Message 13615 - Posted: 19 Nov 2009 | 11:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 13574.

We are still waiting for the 5870 to come. Sorry for the delay.

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Message 13617 - Posted: 19 Nov 2009 | 13:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 13615.

We are still waiting for the 5870 to come. Sorry for the delay.

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Sounds Goods. For me, everything is in house and operational, except Win7. It should be here Tues, then it's time to wipe some HDs and see about the clean installs from the upgrade disk....

In the mean time, with MW being down, it looks like we're going to melt the Collatz server to the floor.....LMAO ;)

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Message 13618 - Posted: 19 Nov 2009 | 14:49:21 UTC - in response to Message 13615.
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We are still waiting for the 5870 to come. Sorry for the delay.

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I'll send 1 of mine if it will help you, PM me if you want to go that way, of course you would have to send it back ... I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ??? Hopefully this Project can keep them busier than the other 2 Projects can ...

PS: Right now the 5870's & 5850's are now where to be had, and with the release of the 5970 the 5850's will even be harder to come by ... IMO

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Message 13637 - Posted: 21 Nov 2009 | 12:42:03 UTC

But there are WU for ATI?
I updated beta drivers + OpenCL as requested, I checked in the project options to accept WU beta, but does not download anything and the server continues to give me the error that I have an NVIDIA GPU.
I forgot something?

Excuse my English but I used the google translator to write my message from my mother tongue is Italian.

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Message 13638 - Posted: 21 Nov 2009 | 17:16:32 UTC
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I updated beta drivers + OpenCL SDK as requested

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.19 for windows_x86_64
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Message 13647 - Posted: 22 Nov 2009 | 8:43:03 UTC

@GDF
I use my 5870 under Win7 X64 since early October, running Collatz and MilkyWay. If you need somebody more to test your ATI version just let me know.

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Message 13651 - Posted: 22 Nov 2009 | 15:37:02 UTC - in response to Message 13618.

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...I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ???


You could use them on Folding@home

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Message 13652 - Posted: 22 Nov 2009 | 16:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 13651.

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...I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ???


You could use them on Folding@home




If that's true--I would like to know. My understanding is that everyone is waiting on the release of GPU3. ???

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Message 13655 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 2:12:46 UTC - in response to Message 13651.

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...I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ???


You could use them on Folding@home



I only run the BOINC Projects, they'll sit Idle before I run Folding@home ...

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Message 13657 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 5:09:39 UTC - in response to Message 13652.

There is a client for ATI F@H but it currently does not produce as well as Nvidia cards do.

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Message 13663 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 15:36:00 UTC - in response to Message 13657.

For me Folding@home is better than doing nothing, but that is my preference and your quite intitled to yours.

I dont know much about the Folding@home's productivity, performance or program, but I do know that it works on many ATI and NVIDIA cards. It is a very well supported project (1.3 million cards have been attached at some time or other) even if you think it is not as relatively productive as GPUGRID.

I have hooked up some Nvidia cards in the past and the one big ATI card (4850) runs it most of the time. My Nvidia cards now all work for GPUGrid. I know from experience that the Nvidia cards cannot work on folding@home and on GPUGrid, and it’s the GPUGrid tasks that crash (usually time out).

From what I gather, the newer ATI cards will eventually be brought on board here, but it does not look like that will include my HD 4850. Perhaps next year there will be tasks for ATI 5800 series cards here on GPUGrid. Presently GPUGrid is in an, all your eggs in the one basket, situation. Given that production of top end NVidia cards has stopped, bringing in ATI support is a good thing. Who knows what the future of NVidia is WRT top end cards – 5850 and 5870 cards are here but there is no G300 yet. The rains might have come every year for the last 5, but that does not mean they will come next year!

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Message 13669 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 21:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 13663.

Given that production of top end NVidia cards has stopped, bringing in ATI support is a good thing.


Such fundamental software design decisions shouldn't be based on temporary circumstances such as yield and capacity problems at a foundry. Give it a couple of months and Fermi will be here (just not that many). And it will be one large, expensive power hungry performance beast. But there'll also be its smaller siblings with more sane transistor counts.

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Message 13670 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 22:19:06 UTC - in response to Message 13655.

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...I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ???


You could use them on Folding@home



I only run the BOINC Projects, they'll sit Idle before I run Folding@home ...


Collatz & Milkyway are both up and running. I keep looking her for a ATI app, but it don't look like you will be supporting my 4850 at this time.

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Message 13671 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009 | 22:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 13670.

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...I sure hope you get this going soon as Collatz & Milkyway are Complete Flops a lot of times like right now. Most of my ATI Cards are just sitting Idle & have been for quite awhile now because Collatz & Milkyway are down and may be down for ???


You could use them on Folding@home



I only run the BOINC Projects, they'll sit Idle before I run Folding@home ...


Collatz & Milkyway are both up and running. I keep looking her for a ATI app, but it don't look like you will be supporting my 4850 at this time.

I was hoping to get a 3rd ATI project for my HD4850 as well. :-)
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Message 13675 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 5:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 13671.

from what we have seen the performance on the HD4xxx series is very very slow.
So it is runs but very slow. The ATI openCL emulates the shared memory via global memory. At this point they are so slow that it is likely that we will restrict to HD5xxx cards.

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Message 13676 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 7:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 13566.

The ffts take something like 20% of the time, but they are many short FFTs.
I am not sure if there are FFTs libs for ATI which can run with the openCL environment. Maybe Gipsel can tell us something.

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https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/samplecode/OpenCL_FFT/index.html

here it is source code for a fairly complete library for FFT (made by Apple, but should be easily ported). Don't know about the license, could it be without any?

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Message 13682 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 13:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 13675.

from what we have seen the performance on the HD4xxx series is very very slow.
So it is runs but very slow. The ATI openCL emulates the shared memory via global memory. At this point they are so slow that it is likely that we will restrict to HD5xxx cards.

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Hm, if a HD48590 is really considered as VERY SLOW I maybe should completely forget about crunching.... :-(
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Message 13684 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 17:21:18 UTC - in response to Message 13682.

To quantify GDF's remark about the speed of 48xx cards, we currently find that a 4850 runs our code about as fast as an NVidia 8600. This is almost entirely down to the lack of local shared memory and we have every reason to expect that the 5xxx cards, which have shared memory on the processor itself, will be significantly faster. We're still waiting for the postman, though!

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Message 13685 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 17:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 13676.

https://developer.apple.com/mac/library/samplecode/OpenCL_FFT/index.html


Thanks for the link, cenit. There are several FFT OpenCL projects we're watching - hopefully one will have all the features we need soon (In case you are wondering, these are: batched 1D r2c and c2r transforms with an FFTW-like interface and data-layout). Alas, we don't have the resources to develop one in-house at the moment.

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Message 13689 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 20:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 13682.

from what we have seen the performance on the HD4xxx series is very very slow.
So it is runs but very slow. The ATI openCL emulates the shared memory via global memory. At this point they are so slow that it is likely that we will restrict to HD5xxx cards.

gdf

Hm, if a HD48590 is really considered as VERY SLOW I maybe should completely forget about crunching.... :-(

Or run out and buy 5xxx series cards ... :)

Then again it may be a "temporary" thing when ATI hears about it ... there may be a way to change the API so that this stops being an issue. Sometimes they can be real clever these software types. Remember the OpenCL is very new ...

Heck, we are a year plus into GPU computing on BOINC and it is still not working as well as it should ...

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Message 13691 - Posted: 24 Nov 2009 | 22:40:59 UTC - in response to Message 13689.

Is it slow because it uses system RAM or just does not have any GPU Cache RAM???

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Message 13692 - Posted: 25 Nov 2009 | 2:55:05 UTC - in response to Message 13691.

graphics dont really need cache so ATi can get away with out having it working for now. GPGPU is a very different story. btw, its not technically a cache. its called local data share. as of now only brook and IL have support for LDS. its the exact same reason folding@home is so slow on ATi cards. to give you an idea of how fast LDS is vram is 115GB/s and LDS is 1.9TB/s on a 4870, a lot of apps need that bandwidth which is almost 20x faster than main memory access.

Is it slow because it uses system RAM or just does not have any GPU Cache RAM???

the cache is there but it will take a driver update to get it working so for now its vram.

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Message 13693 - Posted: 25 Nov 2009 | 8:17:57 UTC - in response to Message 13638.

I updated beta drivers + OpenCL SDK as requested

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.19 for windows_x86_64
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Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU


Exaclty the same here (except for having client 6.10.18). Same GPU/OS. Enabled doing Beta Work in the account settings. But still getting no work.
I'm looking forward to help you, but don't know how.

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Message 13697 - Posted: 25 Nov 2009 | 14:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 13693.

I updated beta drivers + OpenCL SDK as requested

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.19 for windows_x86_64
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Exaclty the same here (except for having client 6.10.18). Same GPU/OS. Enabled doing Beta Work in the account settings. But still getting no work.
I'm looking forward to help you, but don't know how.

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And even with my slow HD4850 I'd like to do some test WUs before giving up here but well... I don't get work either. *grin*
I've updated my account settings, drivers and the sdk package but no success.

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Message 13699 - Posted: 25 Nov 2009 | 20:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 13697.

We are not giving work yet. Waiting for a ATI5870 to test.
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Any updates? Did you contact PoorBoy on his generous offer? This is the project I wish to see 5xxx implemented, then I will go and buy these cards. I'm not prepared to do that just for mathematical problems (Collatz), but this project and the science made makes it almost sound smart ;)

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Message 13753 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009 | 21:03:33 UTC - in response to Message 13748.

We could not find a 5870, but we got a 5850 that should be good enough.
I have just installed now, removing the old 8800gt.

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Would any of the WU's require double precision? The new 57xx's apparently don't have support for it...

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Message 13755 - Posted: 2 Dec 2009 | 5:35:44 UTC - in response to Message 13753.

We could not find a 5870, but we got a 5850 that should be good enough.
I have just installed now, removing the old 8800gt.

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I find this interesting that in the USA there is no ATI 5800/5900 GPUs
Even in far distant New Zealand I can get ATI 5970 in 3 days.
I would love to crunch GPUGRID again but had to give up with a 295.
I am cruching Collatz now because a 5790 can rip though the WUs 2 every 7 mins.
So come get a optiz - app for ATI cards . You are missing out on so much Computer Power
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Message 13766 - Posted: 3 Dec 2009 | 8:56:23 UTC - in response to Message 13755.

We are working on the optimization now. We will not put the application out until it delivers what a 5870 should deliver in terms of performance. Be patient.

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Message 13773 - Posted: 3 Dec 2009 | 15:48:39 UTC

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Message 13774 - Posted: 3 Dec 2009 | 17:33:49 UTC - in response to Message 13766.

We are working on the optimization now. We will not put the application out until it delivers what a 5870 should deliver in terms of performance. Be patient.

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Some of us are getting too old to have Patience ... :)

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Message 13777 - Posted: 3 Dec 2009 | 22:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 13766.

We are working on the optimization now. We will not put the application out until it delivers what a 5870 should deliver in terms of performance. Be patient.

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Great, I will be patient!
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Message 13801 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009 | 20:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 13766.

Well, if the performance of 5850(70) would be equal to the performance of nVidia top devices, this optimization will be successful, otherwise no one would use their top ATI cards with PPD of 2 years old nVidia. But honestly I hope ATI would outperform nVidia in this very important project. Good Luck Fellows.

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Message 13802 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009 | 22:44:43 UTC

Despite credits GPU-Grid has one major advantage compared to both other BOINC projects for ATI: it's got a reliable server and enough work. If MW and Collatz were running fine, they'd offer enough work as well.. but for now MW still crashes rather often and when ever this happens the Collatz server is brought to its knees. GPU-Grid could bring some balance to the force ;)

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Message 13803 - Posted: 6 Dec 2009 | 0:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 13802.

Despite credits GPU-Grid has one major advantage compared to both other BOINC projects for ATI: it's got a reliable server and enough work. If MW and Collatz were running fine, they'd offer enough work as well.. but for now MW still crashes rather often and when ever this happens the Collatz server is brought to its knees. GPU-Grid could bring some balance to the force ;)

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I agree, Collatz has been down for about 2 Days now so I'm forced to run Milkyway which I don't particularly like to do anymore because I have to Babysit my Box's to much to keep an eye out for VPU Errors which I don't get running Collatz. So having a Third Option here at GPUGrid will be most welcome even if it doesn't Pay as much as Collatz or Milkyway ...

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Message 13814 - Posted: 6 Dec 2009 | 22:56:51 UTC - in response to Message 13803.

Agreed. I have my old 9800 GTX+ on this, but I would really like to use my 5870 on a project that will do mankind some real good. I like MW and all, I think it's neat, but well, you know. F@H still hasn't updated their ATI app to work properly with them either, so not a lot of options out there for us ATI primary crunchers.

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Message 13853 - Posted: 9 Dec 2009 | 15:25:24 UTC

I am looking forward to this. I'll pull the trigger on some 5870s as soon as they work on the Grid. They are still hard to find but that should improve too.

Regards,
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Message 13914 - Posted: 13 Dec 2009 | 20:30:19 UTC

Any update? I'm looking to get some 5870s. I won't do it unless they can contribute here.

Thx,
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Duplicate post. Don't see how to delete it...

Any update? I'm looking to get some 5870s. I won't do it unless they can contribute here.

Thx,
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I haven't found any way to completely delete a post on GPUGRID, but for perhaps an hour after you post it you can edit the duplicate down to just one line:

(duplicate)

Also, once you've done that to two different posts, a duplicate post detector program (probably) will be able to detect two different posts from you with the same contents, and delete the second one for you. If the duplicate post detector is also able to do this for normal length posts, that's new enough I haven't seen it happen before.


I'm still trying to find out what recommended Nvidia boards or ATI boards will fit either of my desktops by some means other than paying for both the boards and the service of installing them before finding out if they will fit at all; that still appears to be the best method available locally. I'm no longer able to handle the installation work by myself.

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Message 13921 - Posted: 14 Dec 2009 | 9:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 13917.

We are working on the code to get it faster on ATI and Nvidia. My impression is that the G300 will be faster, but it still early to say it.
We expect to have something new by the time ATI releases a new version of the OpenCL SDK. Probably in January.


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Message 13946 - Posted: 15 Dec 2009 | 13:48:39 UTC - in response to Message 13917.

I'm still trying to find out what recommended Nvidia boards or ATI boards will fit either of my desktops by some means other than paying for both the boards and the service of installing them before finding out if they will fit at all; that still appears to be the best method available locally. I'm no longer able to handle the installation work by myself.


What cases/ cards are you thinking about?
We should be able to determine from specs on the cases and the cards if they will fit and we can also see if we can find someone who has already tried the same case/ card configuration to confirm.
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Message 13962 - Posted: 16 Dec 2009 | 6:08:54 UTC

Thx GDF. Will be standing by.

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Message 13972 - Posted: 17 Dec 2009 | 18:18:24 UTC - in response to Message 13753.

We could not find a 5870, but we got a 5850 that should be good enough.
I have just installed now, removing the old 8800gt.

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it could be useful for you to have a computer (Q6600 + ATI5970) in remote control (LogMeIn or something else) to make your tests ?

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Message 13973 - Posted: 17 Dec 2009 | 19:03:36 UTC

Hi to everyone,

I've a system that could be useful to test an ATI GPU client.

OS: Ubuntu 9.04 64 Bit
MObo : DFI Lanparty DK-790FXB M2RSH
Mem: 4.096 Gb DDR2
CPU: Phenom II 955 BE 3.2 Ghz
GPUs: 2 x ATI RADEON HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 (Vendor: PALIT) CROSSFIRE X activated
DRIVES : fglrx 9.8 Catalyst

If could it be usefull...

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Message 13981 - Posted: 18 Dec 2009 | 9:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 13972.

Yes, your system could be useful. The 4xxx no, they cannot be supported.
Is it on Linux?

gdf

We could not find a 5870, but we got a 5850 that should be good enough.
I have just installed now, removing the old 8800gt.

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Message 13983 - Posted: 18 Dec 2009 | 12:42:08 UTC - in response to Message 13981.

Currently only Win XP32 is installed, computer is clean, used only for crunching.
I can install Linux Ubuntu 64bit in dual boot if you need it (or clean install), but you have to tell me which remote control software you prefer (I don't think LogMeIn works on Linux).

please wait till monday till I'll be back to home

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Yes, your system could be useful. The 4xxx no, they cannot be supported.
Is it on Linux?

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Message 13990 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009 | 6:31:21 UTC
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Where are the files for the ATI version ?
Could You add an access point ON the internet page for ATI card ?
I have an 4850, the latest ATI Drivers 9.12 Vista 64bits with OPENCL, so it ould be possible to use these HD48x board to crunch you ATI version Of gpugrid.
BOINC 6.10.24.. I dont found your ati soft to test it with this release of drivers.

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Message 13992 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009 | 11:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 13990.


Hello,

I wonder if the 5770 would be usefull when the new app is available.

Those cards are *cheap*, easy to find, but....... simple precision :(

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Message 13993 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009 | 14:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 13992.
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Hi all,
I have an ATI Radeon HD 5770, I would also like to know if that card will be supported.
I was quite shocked when I found out that my new bought card couldn´t do DP. At this moment I can only crunch Collatz C, but I would like to donate my Computing power to something usefull :D.
I think this card would be very usefull, because the power is pretty good: Collatz C: ~750 Credits / 14min = ~77k Credits / 24h.
I could also do alpha testing for you, if it´s not to complicated.

My System:

    Intel Core i7 860
    Asus P7P55D
    8GB G.Skill Ripsaw DDR3 1333
    Powercolor Radeon HD 5770
    500 GB Samsung F2
    beQiuet Straight Power 400W
    Windows 7 Professional 64 bit


Too much detail, but I´m proud of my self assembled system :D.

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Message 13995 - Posted: 19 Dec 2009 | 17:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 13993.

Cool system, but your power supply unit looks a bit weak to me!

If you use that GPU close to its full potential your system will melt.

For that GPU I would reccomend a 700W or better PSU, with high AMPs on the 12V rail.

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Message 13999 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 0:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 13995.

...your system will melt.
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I have a i7 x3440 @ 3100
P55 motherborad, 4 Gb Ripsaw, 1 disk
HD 5770

my system pulls 230 W from the plug (wattmeter)

So a 400 W PSU will be OK but not quiet.


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Message 14000 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 2:17:39 UTC - in response to Message 13995.

The powersupply is perfect for this system:
CPU: max 95 Watt
GPU: max 100 Watt
I don´t know how much power the other parts of the system need, but I think the overall max. usage is 300 Watt, but definatelly nowhere near 400 Watts.
Is there any software, which shows the power consumption of the whole system?

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Message 14003 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 14:56:34 UTC - in response to Message 13999.
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OK, you are sort of correct, but missed my somewhat hidden point.
Yes, you are using the P55 board, which consumes a lot less power, and the i7 CPU for that board is also much more energy efficient. So the PSU will give you enough Watts.

However, the problem is Not the Power (Watts), its the Amps feeding the GPU, and medium range PSUs don’t have the Amps.
I know the HD 5770 only uses 108W max, but the recommended PSU is at least 500W, and some people suggest you need a PSU capable of 40A on the 12Vold rail.
If you are using 2 cards you will need 55A.
Try looking for a 500W PSU with 40A on the 12V rail - you wont find too many!
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-in-3way-crossfirex-review-test/3

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Message 14005 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 16:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 14003.
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OK, good to know.
The configurator on the beQuiet homepage recommended me the 400W PSU.
The manual says: 3 x 12V 18A, and 30A max.
Which problems could occur? I have run GPU Computing in BOINC for more than 24 hours and played graphics intensive games, no problems so far.
Well, it´s too late anyway, I don´t want to spend more money on my system.
As long as I don´t come across any problems with the PSU, I´ll keep it.

PS: When I play games with boinc coputing on the GPU in the background, the graphics driver will fail and restart, but I don´t think it´s the fault of the PSU, but rather that games and GPGPU don´t like each other yet.

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Message 14007 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 19:12:24 UTC - in response to Message 14005.

Although the card could be overheating, or there might be software bugs in the game, it might actually be the power supply to blame!
When you use the GPU to the max, it requires more energy, so the Amps have to go up.
If the PSU cant pull enough Amps to support the card the system may freeze/lock up or the graphics may start displaying odd characteristics.
It is a good idea to not use GPUGrid when you are playing games! Perhaps set Boinc to not use the GPU when you are using the system:
Opem Boinc (in Advanced View), select the Advanced Tab, Preferences, Processor usage, and uncheck the box beside Use GPU while computer is in use.

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Message 14009 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 20:22:04 UTC - in response to Message 14007.
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I have created a cc_config.xml with several apps that shall run in exclusive mode. This way BOINC automatically stops computing when e.g. a game runs.

The GPU is constantly at 60-65°C when computing, even after many hours.
When I play a game while BOINC is doing computation on the GPU, the game stutters and then freezes soon and the driver restarts.
So, do you think this could be because of the PSU not delivering enough Amps to the GPU?

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Message 14010 - Posted: 20 Dec 2009 | 22:00:42 UTC - in response to Message 14009.


The VPU recovery you have is not a Powersupply problem, it is somehow an incompatibility between Boinc (GPU) and heavy-GPU apps, such as games.

Collatz is not very concerned by that problem, just try MW and you'll see much more frequent problems than that...

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That´s what I thought, too. It doesn´t have anything to do with the PSU. I still believe my PSU is perfect for my system and that I will not encounter any problems with it :D.

PS: May I participate in the alpha testing?

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Message 14012 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 11:47:23 UTC - in response to Message 14011.
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There are 2 ways you can determine if it is a PSU issue or not.

If you have an Amp/Watt meter, use it to see what Wattage and Ampages are being used when playing the game and when not.

The other way would be to run the latest version of GPU-Z and look at the amount of the GPU being used.
It will likely be about 60% to 70% running GPUGrid. If you try to run additional applications that use the GPU, this may rise, it depends on the application. If it rises significantly or the amount of RAM usage rises significantly then obviously the GPU is drawing more Amps! If neither change significantly then there is no way it is a PSU issue.

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Message 14014 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 14:53:37 UTC - in response to Message 14012.
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I don´t want to draw too much attention, so here´s just a URL:
GPU-Z shows while Collatz C is computing on the GPU:
GPU-Z.
Collatz C occupies ~58MB of system Ram.
Tell me what you think.

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Message 14018 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 19:46:30 UTC

A lot of off-topic here, I'd like to read about ATI GPU support in GPUgrid instead of this chat here...

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Message 14021 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 21:12:34 UTC - in response to Message 13921.

We are working on the code to get it faster on ATI and Nvidia. My impression is that the G300 will be faster, but it still early to say it.
We expect to have something new by the time ATI releases a new version of the OpenCL SDK. Probably in January.


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Stream 2.0 SDK is here (no more beta)
http://developer.amd.com/GPU/ATISTREAMSDK/Pages/default.aspx

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Message 14023 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 22:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 14003.

I know the HD 5770 only uses 108W max, but the recommended PSU is at least 500W, and some people suggest you need a PSU capable of 40A on the 12Vold rail.


And may I suggest that these people are wrong?

The point is that 108 W = 12 V * 9 A. So each card draws 9 A max, if we ignore any power draw at 3.3 V and 5 V. Why would one need 40 A for that? Only if the CPU draws 31 A at 12 V -> 372 W. Now that's one bad ass number even *Presshots* can only dream about ;)

What he should approximately need is a PSU which puts the 9A @ 12 V on one rail and the max 95 W ~ 12 V * 8 A for the CPU onto another one. Both could even be fed from one of his 3 12 V rails at max 18 A (would be risky & silly, though).

Although the card could be overheating, or there might be software bugs in the game, it might actually be the power supply to blame!


Technically that's true, but I don't think that's happening here. From what I have seen I can tell you that games and GP-GPU don't mix well yet, be it ATI or NV. So some software problem is very likely.

If you have an Amp/Watt meter, use it to see what Wattage and Ampages are being used when playing the game and when not.


This works if you exceed total wattage. But you can not easily look into the PS, so you can't know if individual rails are overloaded (really nasty error).

If it rises significantly or the amount of RAM usage rises significantly then obviously the GPU is drawing more Amps! If neither change significantly then there is no way it is a PSU issue.


But if the load changes, it does not have to be a PSU problem ;)

IMO there is on simple and almost reliable test for PSU problems: try a bigger (quality) one. If the problem goes away - you just found the reason. If not - look elsewhere.

-> back to topic, it's a sticky after all *doh*

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Message 14024 - Posted: 21 Dec 2009 | 23:03:17 UTC - in response to Message 14021.

I have just seen this. This is very good news. We are trying it out.

gdf

We are working on the code to get it faster on ATI and Nvidia. My impression is that the G300 will be faster, but it still early to say it.
We expect to have something new by the time ATI releases a new version of the OpenCL SDK. Probably in January.


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Stream 2.0 SDK is here (no more beta)
http://developer.amd.com/GPU/ATISTREAMSDK/Pages/default.aspx

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Message 14025 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 0:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 14024.
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Sorry for the "chat".
I´ve had no problems with my PSU yet and as long as everything works, I won´t change it. At least when I get some problems, I will check, if it could be the PSU.
Hopefully the "chat is over now, I don´t want to hijack this thread any longer.

Back to topic:
Does this mean that all GPU-Projects can easily program ATI WUs now?

There is also a new version of catalyst. AMD says Radeon 5000 Series are 6-9% with this version(see here).

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Message 14034 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009 | 22:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 14025.

Does this mean that all GPU-Projects can easily program ATI WUs now?


Without further reading I'd say "as easy as before". It's still their proprietary Stream SDK and different from CUDA and OpenCL.

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maybe interesting for you guys.
ATI publishes Evergreen Family Instruction Set Architecture - Instructions and Microcode
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzgzMg
http://developer.amd.com/gpu/ATIStreamSDK/assets/AMD_Evergreen-Family_ISA_Instructions_and_Microcode.pdf
Together with the new SDK it will maybe helpfull to set up a performand stream-code of your application.

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Message 14056 - Posted: 25 Dec 2009 | 7:05:48 UTC

What do I have to do to get some work units to download to my i7 with a couple of 5870's. Thanks

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Message 14097 - Posted: 2 Jan 2010 | 0:34:34 UTC

Hello, I have 2 HD5870 and I would like to know when the new ATI application is planned for your project ?

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Message 14117 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010 | 12:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 14097.

I would also like to know!
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Message 14118 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010 | 14:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 14117.

hi,
we are back to work now.
There will be several good news in the next couple of weeks. We have been working a lot on the optimization for both nvidia and ati.

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Message 14120 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010 | 15:32:05 UTC - in response to Message 14118.

Worst cliffhanger ever. Keep up the good work.

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Message 14128 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010 | 23:05:18 UTC

For the sake of my poor, though willing, GTS 250, give it a rest and make my 58' happy :-)

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Message 14129 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010 | 23:31:29 UTC - in response to Message 14118.

hi,
we are back to work now.
There will be several good news in the next couple of weeks. We have been working a lot on the optimization for both nvidia and ati.

In the world of BOINC, no news is never good news ... :)

I eagerly anticipate the good word ... faster applications are always welcome and I now have one 58xx class card so even if the ATI is not good enough for the 4xxx class and below, well, I have at least one more asset to apply ... and as the Nvidia cards die I may just move over to ATI for all ...

Anyway, thanks for the update ...

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Message 14132 - Posted: 6 Jan 2010 | 1:19:42 UTC - in response to Message 13946.

I'm still trying to find out what recommended Nvidia boards or ATI boards will fit either of my desktops by some means other than paying for both the boards and the service of installing them before finding out if they will fit at all; that still appears to be the best method available locally. I'm no longer able to handle the installation work by myself.


What cases/ cards are you thinking about?
We should be able to determine from specs on the cases and the cards if they will fit and we can also see if we can find someone who has already tried the same case/ card configuration to confirm.


If HP says just what cases they're using, they make that information hidden well enough that I haven't found it yet. I'm no longer able to move them well enough to inspect the cases for case model numbers.

Model numbers for the whole computers are SR5125CL and d5200t, though.

I haven't chosen the GPU cards yet, so I'm interested in any that both fit and are able to run GPUGRID.

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Message 14152 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 19:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 14132.

robertmiles,
I still think the safe bet is the GT 240, as they do not require any additional power connectors, and are quite short in length.
If you are interested in an ATI card, I would suggest you wait until several have been reviewed here - then you will know which cards actually work well enough to be considered.

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Message 14153 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 20:37:18 UTC - in response to Message 14152.

So far, we still strongly suggest to wait for the Fermi-based Nvidia cards.
This is most certainly the fastest card.

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Message 14154 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 21:23:52 UTC - in response to Message 14153.

Even faster then HD5970?
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Message 14155 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010 | 22:07:21 UTC

could you give us an idea of the performance from these new clients? specifically performance of 5870. or is it too early to tell?

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Message 14156 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010 | 2:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 14132.

Model numbers for the whole computers are SR5125CL and d5200t

I took a look around the internet and found an interior picture of the d520t. The HP spec says it is an ATX size motherbpard and the picture shows no obstruction for the full with from the PCI-E slot to the edge of the board (being a full tower the HDD cage is not in the way from what I can see) so I think a full size card would fit fine. I will try looking again, maybe even find someone with the same case. We can always try calling HP and see if they will tell us what the exact layout is.
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Message 14157 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010 | 3:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 14153.

So far, we still strongly suggest to wait for the Fermi-based Nvidia cards.
This is most certainly the fastest card.

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we'll see how much NV faster then ATI 2morrow on CES :-)
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Message 14158 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010 | 14:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 14157.


we'll see how much NV faster then ATI 2morrow on CES :-)


You will not see any new grafik card from NV on CES. They don't have it now on CES. But they say it is in production now. You have to wait until March.



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Message 14162 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010 | 19:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 14158.

Waiting is nice thing, but in March My Radeon HD5870 will be 6 month baby :)

So after six month's nvidia will relased - must relased faster card...
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Message 14164 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010 | 22:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 14158.


we'll see how much NV faster then ATI 2morrow on CES :-)


You will not see any new grafik card from NV on CES. They don't have it now on CES. But they say it is in production now. You have to wait until March.


sorry to say buddy, but IT on CES :-) check the latest news and u'll see even pics :-)
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Message 14168 - Posted: 10 Jan 2010 | 21:40:07 UTC

Hi I have 5840 ati gpu

on win 7 64bit ver.

On main bainc page I can see that I can run this project, but here there is no info how to do it.

My boinc manager 6.10.18 says

2010-01-10 16:37:35 GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
2010-01-10 16:37:35 GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
2010-01-10 16:37:35 GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU


What can I do about it?????
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Message 14169 - Posted: 10 Jan 2010 | 21:41:22 UTC - in response to Message 14168.

my card is 5870

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Message 14170 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 8:20:42 UTC - in response to Message 14156.

Model numbers for the whole computers are SR5125CL and d5200t

I took a look around the internet and found an interior picture of the d520t. The HP spec says it is an ATX size motherbpard and the picture shows no obstruction for the full with from the PCI-E slot to the edge of the board (being a full tower the HDD cage is not in the way from what I can see) so I think a full size card would fit fine. I will try looking again, maybe even find someone with the same case. We can always try calling HP and see if they will tell us what the exact layout is.
I'll post back as soon as I have anything to report.


I just thought of yet another option even more relevant to this thread, possibly helped by recently finding the web site of a nearby company likely to offer any home installation services needed: Are there any HD58xx cards likely to be suitable for the power supply the SR5125CL already has, and also likely to fit?

Also, is GPUGRID interested in offering participants with more than one computer the option of accepting beta work on some machines, but not others, and possibly even setting the share of GPUGRID GPU use differently on those different machines?

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Message 14171 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 11:08:29 UTC - in response to Message 14170.
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Today we start to perform local performance tests on ATI.
A new nvidia beta application should come out in a couple of days as well.

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Message 14172 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 13:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 14171.

thank You for info

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Message 14174 - Posted: 11 Jan 2010 | 15:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 14171.

Today we start to perform local performance tests on ATI.
A new nvidia beta application should come out in a couple of days as well.

gdf

pls keep us posted :-)

where I can read about nvidia beta application?
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Message 14179 - Posted: 12 Jan 2010 | 13:36:47 UTC - in response to Message 13411.

If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application.

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Where are any instructions on how to accept beta work? Or is arranged in such a way that no instructions are needed?

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Message 14180 - Posted: 12 Jan 2010 | 13:48:00 UTC - in response to Message 14179.

If you have a new 5870 ATI GPUs please accept beta work from us, in the following days we will try to upload a new ATI application.

gdf

Where are any instructions on how to accept beta work? Or is arranged in such a way that no instructions are needed?

Your project preferences page, change "Run test applications?" from 'no' to 'yes'.

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Message 14181 - Posted: 12 Jan 2010 | 15:19:26 UTC - in response to Message 14180.

2010-01-12 16:16:35 GPUGRID Requesting new tasks for GPU
2010-01-12 16:16:40 GPUGRID Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
2010-01-12 16:16:40 GPUGRID Message from server: No work sent
2010-01-12 16:16:40 GPUGRID Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU


\but i have Ati 5870 and i have accept beta work , there is no samples????
or should I also mark nvidia in settings??

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Message 14190 - Posted: 13 Jan 2010 | 9:19:45 UTC - in response to Message 14181.

On linux,
the new driver simply hangs the machine as soon as it runs.
Also, the driver seems to be still beta (at least for linux) reporting a "for testing only".

We shall try under Windows.

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Message 14191 - Posted: 13 Jan 2010 | 15:37:51 UTC - in response to Message 14190.


hello gdf,

do you know if single precision cards could be used for this ? like 5770 ?

thanks for this enhancement anyway.

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Message 14192 - Posted: 13 Jan 2010 | 17:26:21 UTC

Hi i operate ATI 5870 system win 7 64 bit
bonic 6.10.18

bonic can not see a gpu, is telling that I do not have nvidia card..

I have marked accept beta works in settings?

are any beta samples for my PC ?

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Message 14194 - Posted: 13 Jan 2010 | 21:00:21 UTC

there is currently no beta work for ATi cards. if you read the whole thread from the start you can see that the ATi client is currently getting ready for beta testing.

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Message 14227 - Posted: 17 Jan 2010 | 19:29:08 UTC

GDF,

what's the results of ATI app testing?

BTW, later this week i'll get 4870, so feel free to use it for testing.
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Message 14240 - Posted: 18 Jan 2010 | 17:00:16 UTC - in response to Message 14227.

I'm not GDF, but if I remember correctly, a post earlier in this thread said that the HD 48xx series has already been found not to be useful for GPUGRID with the current ATI driver due to the way global memory is implemented. Hopefully, a future ATI driver will change that.

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Message 14243 - Posted: 18 Jan 2010 | 17:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 14240.

Hopefully, a future ATI driver will change that.


Catalyst developers have clearly said that they will not change it. Hardware speaking, it would be very difficult if not impossible.
Only benefit HD4xxx will get will be from general optimizations. Memory management will always be terrible on HD4xxx

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Message 14246 - Posted: 18 Jan 2010 | 20:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 14243.

The current driver hangs the machine. We reported the problem to ATI.

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Message 14250 - Posted: 19 Jan 2010 | 8:27:47 UTC - in response to Message 14246.

We will support only 5xxx series cards based on the new GPU chips.

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Message 14254 - Posted: 20 Jan 2010 | 19:08:08 UTC

it's pity, but not a big deal at all. Anyway, 4870 is just a toy: I want to understand sould I stay with NV (future GTX395?) or should I move to ATI and get 5970 or even two of them. If 5970 will be not worse then future GTX395 and GPUGRID will start to support ATI most probably I'll mov to ATI, but if not - I'm staying with NV.
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Message 14255 - Posted: 20 Jan 2010 | 21:26:18 UTC - in response to Message 14254.

Forget GTX395 for quite a while. Fermi is so amazingly large, they just can't put two of them onto one card. Not without lowering the clocks so much that it really hurts.

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Message 14259 - Posted: 21 Jan 2010 | 2:35:49 UTC - in response to Message 14250.

We will support only 5xxx series cards based on the new GPU chips.

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So the 57xx cards will also work? What about the 4770 since it's built on the 40nm chip? Thanks!

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The 5xxx series saw a re-design, which in my opinion, was partially tailored to OpenCL, and the 4xxx series obviously isn't. During testing, they found that there is a significant (enough of a) penalty in the emulation of memory using global memory that made the application unfeasible.

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Message 14264 - Posted: 21 Jan 2010 | 16:47:33 UTC

hello,

i don't understand why gpugrid aske me to install beta driver and ati sdk also milkyway run with my 5850 without i must ATI app supply!

But i would prefer crunching for gpugrid but i see the atie sdk on the amd website but i no beta driver! Where i can dl theses beta driver?

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Message 14268 - Posted: 21 Jan 2010 | 20:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 14264.

@GDF
can you give us a little teaser about the performance of a ATI 58xx card with the new application?
How do they perform in comparison with a, lets say GTX285?

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Message 14271 - Posted: 21 Jan 2010 | 21:51:16 UTC - in response to Message 14264.

You'd currently need a beta driver because the other one doesn't work (don't know if the beta one does, though) and because the development is still in beta.

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Message 14279 - Posted: 22 Jan 2010 | 16:53:37 UTC - in response to Message 14271.

Any cards performance is based on both the cards abilities and the application exploiting these abilities.
The ATI applications are still in Beta development and there is a new application for NVidia cards in the late stages of development. Refinements are continuing.

So it will be a while before both are released, and we are really able to test these against each other.

There would be little point saying how an ATI card performs now compared to an NVidia 1.3 capable card as these NVidia cards will soon get an approximately 60% performance boost from the new application!

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Message 14313 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010 | 17:58:26 UTC - in response to Message 14279.

Can't give you any performance data for the RV800 hardware yet because the OpenCL SDK is still causing us problems. In short, we have a prototype application working but the driver is very unstable and often crashes the machine. We are continuing to work on it, but it seems that the ATI software needs to mature quite a bit before we can release anything.

As an aside, the OpenCL app works acceptably under Nvidia's OpenCL runtime, albeit with lower performance (Nvidia's OpenCL and CUDA tools don't share a common compiler, I understand, and seem to apply different optimisations).

For any of you interested to learn about our approach to converting from CUDA to OpenCL, and to see a spot of early performance data on an RV700 card, take a look at http://www.cse.scitech.ac.uk/disco/mew20/presentations/GPU_MattHarvey.pdf (from early Dec 09, and already dating a little).

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Message 14316 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010 | 22:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 14313.

Would the existing (although recently lessened) Furrier Transform memory allocation problem disappear if OpenCL was used instead of CUDA for NVidia cards?
If not would it be worth trying to develop a custom FFT implementation?

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Message 14323 - Posted: 26 Jan 2010 | 8:33:45 UTC - in response to Message 14316.

Hi, we are implementing our own FFT implementation for both Nvidia and ATI.
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Message 14324 - Posted: 26 Jan 2010 | 8:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 14323.

ATI STATUS.
The situation with ATI cards is the following:
We failed to produce performances better than a GT8800 with a HD5850. Even bigger problem is that the ATI OPENCL SDK is still very unstable, hanging the machine easily, so that we cannot optimize the application until it is stable.

We currently don't know if we can make it faster or not, but certainly it will take several months before the SDK becomes stable enough to be of practical use.

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Message 14417 - Posted: 27 Jan 2010 | 16:41:29 UTC - in response to Message 14324.

hmmm... perhaps someone needs to ask the f@h guys how they do it :)

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Message 14418 - Posted: 27 Jan 2010 | 17:45:43 UTC - in response to Message 14417.

I doubt that they use OpenCL, probably CAL.

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openMM, aka gpu3, uses opencl but F@H is running into similar problems as gpugrid. two of their kernels wouldnt compile.

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Message 14794 - Posted: 29 Jan 2010 | 15:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 14419.

Hi thare I'm receiving work's for GPu ATI.
My 5870 is not occ, but it sending errors...
it is ACEMD beta version 6.03 (ati14)

estimated time is 1.20min but few sec ater starting procesing it info "error"
System win 7 64 bit
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Message 14795 - Posted: 29 Jan 2010 | 15:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 14794.

My fault. I forgot to remove the ATI app, while we are giving out the new beta app for nvidia.
Fixed now.
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OK....

so there is still no work for ati...:(

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Message 14808 - Posted: 29 Jan 2010 | 21:55:34 UTC - in response to Message 14796.

Take a look here.. you're not going to get any work soon, as GPU-Grid doesn't want to crash your machine.

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Message 15167 - Posted: 12 Feb 2010 | 10:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 14324.

it will take several months before the SDK becomes stable enough to be of practical use.

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maybe the situation is not so tragic in AMD...
SDK v2.01 is out, with many bugs fixed and some FFT samples (if you still need them). You could retry now and maybe report new bugs found, to help development!

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Message 15178 - Posted: 12 Feb 2010 | 14:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 15167.

We are testing it out.

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Please excuse my ignorance. But is GPUGRID using OpenCL or porting CUDA to OpenCL? If so, are there plans to go native with OpelCL or is ATI happy to ride around on Nvidia's horse? (BTW Kuda in Indonesian means horse, I know it's spelled with a C!)...

Punn set aside. Nvidia is a sponsor of GPUGRID, but if Einstein, SETI, or Collatz Conjecture can better utilize ATI cards, ATI card owners will be tempted to go there instead.
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Message 15212 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010 | 18:15:28 UTC - in response to Message 15211.

is GPUGRID using OpenCL or porting CUDA to OpenCL?


We use CUDA for our application. We are experimenting with OpenCL with a view to being able to use ATI cards, but results to date have not been encouraging.

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Message 15215 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010 | 11:52:22 UTC - in response to Message 15211.

but if Einstein, SETI, or Collatz Conjecture can better utilize ATI cards, ATI card owners will be tempted to go there instead.


Collatz and Milkyway make excellent use of the ATIs, computationally wise. Whether you think their science is worthwhile or not is up to you ;)

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Message 15272 - Posted: 17 Feb 2010 | 14:35:26 UTC - in response to Message 15178.

We are testing it out.

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any good news? does it still crash when compiling?

could i suggest to release a beta app and work-units for ATi, even if performances are poor and maybe first results not really important for science?
We need an OpenCL app to start the chain: opencl boinc implementation -> optimizations -> newer releases -> drivers getting better -> users more satisfied -> new science -> new apps -> optimizations and so on...

Now you're in the position of being able to benefit another time gpgpu in boinc (such as when you developed the first cuda on boinc app) releasing early (and often, maybe) and breaking this stalled situation, if you have a working app (even if it's not great in performances, it will become better one day)

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Message 15273 - Posted: 17 Feb 2010 | 15:44:45 UTC

Have a read of this AMD Developer Forum thread - started by a programmer working on a BOINC project.

Doesn't seem to be much chance of a viable general-purpose OpenCL implementation in the near future.

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Message 15274 - Posted: 17 Feb 2010 | 16:12:48 UTC - in response to Message 15273.
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Have a read of this AMD Developer Forum thread - started by a programmer working on a BOINC project.

Doesn't seem to be much chance of a viable general-purpose OpenCL implementation in the near future.


There're some bugs, I know. And I read really often AMD developers forums, but there's not much activity going on there. I'm sure that a lot of discussions are going on behind the scenes via email, which I do not like in this stage because I think that on a forum everyone would benefit.

Raistmer has many problems porting multibeam to ati because of these problems with Apple FFT opencl implementation. But this is not the whole story: not every app needs FFT, and more important everybody could write a fast fourier transform implementation on OpenCL if this one doesn't fit your needs or is broken. We couldn't ask Raistmer to do this (he is in the lunatics crew), but here there's a whole project behind...
In this thread GdF (or someone of his group) said that they hadn't the possibility to implement one themselves too, but they were watching MANY implementations and that they could do some science at the beginning also without FFT-enabled app.

Do not forget that MANY apps written in OpenCL are working NOW (nothing on boinc, but boinc is just a little program that close-to-no one knows).

Also, I'm sure that we will have another refresh of the Stream SDK before those "few months" cited by genaganna: they said the same after SDK 2.0 but we have just had refresh 2.01 with many bug fixed. ATi is doing many efforts in their software departments (having learnt that hardware is not the only important thing) and maybe (maybe) genaganna doesn't know the whole story.

On the other hand: are gpugrid project developers writing on some developers forum (Apple, nvidia, ATi) about their problems or are they using emails??

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Message 15275 - Posted: 17 Feb 2010 | 17:39:50 UTC - in response to Message 15274.

Hi,
we are talking to ATI directly by email.
We managed to compile and run the old application. On a 5850 is at present 2.5 times slower than a GTX 275 and furthermore it does not allow to be used scientifically really. If we could work with the newer application that would be much better. Hopefully soon.

We will do a little boinc test to see how reliable is the ATI driver in the next couple of weeks.

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Message 15276 - Posted: 17 Feb 2010 | 17:50:44 UTC - in response to Message 15275.

Hi,
we are talking to ATI directly by email.
We managed to compile and run the old application. On a 5850 is at present 2.5 times slower than a GTX 275 and furthermore it does not allow to be used scientifically really. If we could work with the newer application that would be much better. Hopefully soon.

We will do a little boinc test to see how reliable is the ATI driver in the next couple of weeks.

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thanks a lot for sharing the app status. I was sure that also you were talking privately with ati support.

ps: within 30 minutes 10.2 drivers will be out.
Watch on those for your reliability tests!

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Message 15321 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010 | 1:00:13 UTC - in response to Message 15276.

Hi, have crunched for GPUGrid before, on a 9800GTX+, which is now in use for other purposes. But I've got a rig ASUS P5E; X38; Q6600 and a ATI HD5770.
This is a 'single precision' unit, runs at Collatz C. at the moment.
Can I use this card with GPUGrid, also?


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Message 15322 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010 | 1:48:11 UTC - in response to Message 15321.

GPUGrid does not currently have work for ATI but they continue to review all new developments on the SDK from ATI and spin up new betas to test things out but afaik there is nothing imminent.
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Message 15392 - Posted: 23 Feb 2010 | 20:18:27 UTC - in response to Message 15211.
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Please excuse my ignorance. But is GPUGRID using OpenCL or porting CUDA to OpenCL? If so, are there plans to go native with OpelCL or is ATI happy to ride around on Nvidia's horse? (BTW Kuda in Indonesian means horse, I know it's spelled with a C!)...

Punn set aside. Nvidia is a sponsor of GPUGRID, but if Einstein, SETI, or Collatz Conjecture can better utilize ATI cards, ATI card owners will be tempted to go there instead.


Are you aware of any software for automatically converting CUDA to OpenCL? I'm not.

Are you aware of any ATI SDKs that include a reliable version of the FFT software? I'm not.

Are you aware of any BOINC versions, even still in alpha test, that can use OpenCL directly instead of compiling it to CUDA or ATI's equivalent first? I'm not. How do you expect an OpenCL-only BOINC application to be produced before there is a suitable version of BOINC to test it under, or do you want one with a very high error rate even for pre-alpha testing?

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Message 15393 - Posted: 23 Feb 2010 | 21:09:04 UTC - in response to Message 15392.

Please excuse my ignorance. But is GPUGRID using OpenCL or porting CUDA to OpenCL? If so, are there plans to go native with OpelCL or is ATI happy to ride around on Nvidia's horse? (BTW Kuda in Indonesian means horse, I know it's spelled with a C!)...

Punn set aside. Nvidia is a sponsor of GPUGRID, but if Einstein, SETI, or Collatz Conjecture can better utilize ATI cards, ATI card owners will be tempted to go there instead.


Are you aware of any software for automatically converting CUDA to OpenCL? I'm not.

Are you aware of any ATI SDKs that include a reliable version of the FFT software? I'm not.

Are you aware of any BOINC versions, even still in alpha test, that can use OpenCL directly instead of compiling it to CUDA or ATI's equivalent first? I'm not. How do you expect an OpenCL-only BOINC application to be produced before there is a suitable version of BOINC to test it under, or do you want one with a very high error rate even for pre-alpha testing?


Please don't shoot me for asking a question. The reason why I asked, was because I didn't know! ;-)
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Message 15395 - Posted: 23 Feb 2010 | 23:33:16 UTC - in response to Message 15393.

Liveonc,

Please excuse my ignorance. But is GPUGRID using OpenCL or porting CUDA to OpenCL?


The current GPUGRID application, ACEMD, is written using CUDA and is therefore limited to Nvidia cards. OpenCL has many similarities with CUDA and so we have been able to port a test version of ACEMD to run on ATI hardware. One of our aims is to have a single application code-base which we can compile for either CUDA or OpenCL, in order to keep the development effort manageable, and we've almost finished the work on this.

There are many practical issues that must be dealt with before we'll be in a position to release an ATI application, and these are broadly as follows:

1) application performance: the current performance on ATI is too poor to be of use to us (an HD5870 performs about as well as a GT8800). On paper the ATI hardware should perform very well so we are confident that we can improve matters with additional development work.

2) OpenCL runtime issues: ATI's OpenCL implementation lacks a few features that we need for good performance. Also, it is currently quite unstable and our development machine frequently crashes. We expect these problems to get fixed in time by ATI.

3) Testing: Once we have a feature-complete OpenCL/ATI application we need to rigorously test it to check that it gives correct results before we let it out into the wild. Ensuring we don't waste your kindly-dontated cycles carelessly is a responsibility we take seriously!

We know you're all keen to get your ATI crunching, and I'll keep you informed about our progress.

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Message 15396 - Posted: 24 Feb 2010 | 0:15:28 UTC - in response to Message 15393.

Please don't shoot me for asking a question. The reason why I asked, was because I didn't know! ;-)


I didn't intend to shoot you, but perhaps I was too forceful in answering your question.

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Message 15409 - Posted: 24 Feb 2010 | 19:51:04 UTC - in response to Message 15396.

Please don't shoot me for asking a question. The reason why I asked, was because I didn't know! ;-)


I didn't intend to shoot you, but perhaps I was too forceful in answering your question.



I uderstand that I used a punn, in my original question. The intention was good, a punn, is what I feel to be a humorous slap in the face with (if taken positively), can be a motivation for people to proove me dead wrong.

Ati has a range of products sold for a price that makes even hard core Nvidia fans want to cry (including myself). I just hoped that if Ati go for the kill, that Nvidia also will answer back (in a positive way), by doing something about it. In the end, consumers are the winners, unless Nvidia or Ati dies...
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Message 15412 - Posted: 24 Feb 2010 | 22:21:09 UTC - in response to Message 15409.

Well, they did: they greatly over-built Fermi for a not-so-good 40 nm process. They desperately wanted to become the clear number 1 again, but currently it looks more like "one bird in the hand would have been better than two on the roof". See the separate thread on Fermi.. but don't get too discouraged yet. Personally I'm still convinced they're not totally stupid ;)

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Message 15434 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010 | 15:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 15412.
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If a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, NVidia are releasing two cards, the GTX 480 and GTX 470, costing $679.99 and $479.99, how much is the bush worth?

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Message 15441 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010 | 18:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 15434.

ATI Stream Software Development Kit (SDK) v2.01 - more details.

Perhaps writing a program directly for ATI Stream would be a better strategy than using the early OpenCL implementation. MW and CC don't use OPENCL, they use ATI STREAM.
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Message 15443 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010 | 21:29:04 UTC - in response to Message 15441.

Both cards have gone walk about, so its $1159.98!

I think the project would be well advised to rely on their own programming abilities rather than hand me downs. If GPUGrid reports errors to NVidia and they dont even bother to reply, whats the point or even trying to talk to them?
Will ATI behave any better? I doubt it.

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Message 15445 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010 | 22:22:41 UTC

Going with ATI Stream would mean they'd definitely have to maintain and optimize 2 separate code bases. That's something one wants to avoid if possible at all. Sure, it could end up the same way with Open CL - but at least there's a chance here for a unified code base.

@SK: see Fermi thread.

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Message 15615 - Posted: 5 Mar 2010 | 5:04:16 UTC

Does GPUGRID compete with, or cooperate with folding@home? The don't use BOINC, they've got their own client. But can anything be ported? I've noticed that they support much more hardware then GPUGRID, but I don't know how good they utilize the hardware they support.
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Message 15624 - Posted: 5 Mar 2010 | 21:24:12 UTC - in response to Message 15615.

If their points system is anything to go by, their ability to optimise tasks/applications/GPUs is limited, very limited.
I found it a difficult project to work with. Some GPU's worked and some just would not go, including my GTX260sp216 that runs smoothly here. A GT8800 512 use to work well, but I prefer to crunch here, so I pulled that when it started to not do so well here.

I now also have a 4850 sitting in a pile of used parts because I pulled it out of a system and replaced it with another GT240. When I used the HD4850 I had to use a powerful system fan, leave the door off, put up with shiny blue lights and roaring noise - but not any more ;)

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Message 15632 - Posted: 6 Mar 2010 | 22:51:42 UTC - in response to Message 13411.

can i do the work on my laptop

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Message 15637 - Posted: 7 Mar 2010 | 11:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 15632.

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1458&nowrap=true#14324

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Message 15659 - Posted: 10 Mar 2010 | 7:31:14 UTC - in response to Message 15637.
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http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1458&nowrap=true#14324

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better this one: http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1458&nowrap=true#15275

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Message 15847 - Posted: 20 Mar 2010 | 8:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 15659.

So an update on ATI. Their SDK is still very much capable of hanging the entire machine in Windows and Linux.

We will have to wait a little longer.

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